The Observation Deck

How can it cause more violence???? Oil territory that could be split up between three feuding groups and instead one group is making a secret deal with an American oil company?????? No way will peace happen then. And our soldiers are in the middle of it. If we are trying for peace, allowing one American oil company to even talk about this, oh and yes they would have done it and Bush would have looked the other way, is beyond a bad movie. How can you not see it? They talked about it. If you had a child fighting in this war, how would you feel about the president's friend making an oil deal that could erupt in more violence and be a profit for them? How can any American company profit from this war when the country is going bankrupt because of it? That makes sense to you! That Bush's friends and Cheney's company are making money off of this war while putting our country in the worst debt ever????

Can you give me any specifics (actual events) that back up your theory? (because of the contract between Hunt and the Kurds that more violence is taking place in Iraq)


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/ ... 1633.shtml


[quote]Energy companies that make deals with the Kurdish government may strike oil, but they’ll have trouble selling it, warns Iraq’s Oil Minister.

“Iraq’s neighbors - Syria, Iran and even Turkey - have said they will only allow oil over the border to market that is being exported by the federal government,â€Â

Justine Cooper wrote:Ryan,
The real problem is not Oprah of course, but us, the Americans who stand by and allow one realization after the other and do nothing. Allow more troops there, allow Bush (who has a bonified offer by his oil friend after his presidency) to continue on, knowing Cheney's ties to the oil, knowing Bush's other friends' ties to making money contracting in Iraq, knowing everything we know about the lies that brought us in there and all the lies since, and now this. Will this be allowed? There is a reason the middle east hates America. I truly never knew why until Bush took office and I started doing research on what we have done in the Middle East to benefit us. What they did to us on 911 was beyond horror, but to believe they did it for no reason other than jealousy is insane.

Those are good ideas. But it is important to remember Saudi Arabia was the society that generated the cultural norms fueling and staffing Al Queda. We haven't done anything differently with or to Saudi Arabia since 9/11.

Stephen Eisel wrote:Can you give me any specifics (actual events) that back up your theory? (because of the contract between Hunt and the Kurds that more violence is taking place in Iraq)

This is the latest salvo in an escalating fight between Iraq’s national government and Kurdish regional authorities. At issue is how Iraq’s vast oil wealth will be shared out, and who will control the commercial terms under which foreign companies operate[/quote

Are you kidding me? This comment above states "an escalating fight between Iraq's government and Kurdish regional authorities...."so duh there is already a fight with this oil AND AN AMERICAN TEXAS OIL COMPANY IS SECRETLY MAKING A DEAL WITH THE KURDS FOR THIS OIL and you see nothing wrong with this. Did you get the reference "the latest salvo in an escalating fight..."I don't have time or desire to look up several links to back up my "theory" when all the facts are right in front of us. Who doesn't get the seriousness of this "deal" whether it now happens or doesn't. This is everything in a nutshell. Every death in Iraq whether you acknowledge that or not. Even Bret Callentine has said publicly in today's issue has has a change of heart!!! It is getting worse and worse. The truth that is.

This comment above states "an escalating fight between Iraq's government and Kurdish regional authorities...."so duh

Main Entry: salvo
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural salvos
Etymology: Medieval Latin salvo jure with the right reserved
Date: 1621
1 : a mental reservation : proviso
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Hunt was not the first or last company to make a deal with the Kurds. The deal was not a secret. It was made public by Hunt at the beginning of September. The Kurdistan's regional government is the driving force behind all of these contracts to explore for oil in their territory. These deals with the Kurds have not incited violence. They have incited a salvo of bickering between the central government in Iraq and the Kurds.

Are you kidding me? This comment above states "an escalating fight between Iraq's government and Kurdish regional authorities...."so duh there is already a fight with this oil AND

Are you saying that the Kurds and Iraqis are at war with each other?

The Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds are in a power play. yes the negotiations were secret at first and if you don't get the reality of bush's good friend making an oil deal in Iraq, and yes one that will cause more fighting, then you don't want to get the reality.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ17Ak03.html

The insurgency isn't all about Al Queda. There seems to be a growing
unity amongst the diverse Iraq cliques. They are united in their desire
for a unified Iraq not under the yoke of the U.S. Whether this
manifests itself in continual fighting or electing a government which
then voids all contracts and treaties with the U.S.(we'll have to start
calling them communists or statists) remains to be determined.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ16Ak03.html

While genocide was committed against the Armenians, it doesn't really
matter now. Turkey is a political and cultural unit distinct from the
Ottoman Empire. All the victims and agressors and their relatives are dead. Can Congress make that distinction? And the Ottoman
empire used the Kurds to do this. Author advises partitioning Iraq into
3 units. This will not work well. It didn't work well with India, or
Yugoslavia after the Soviet Union fell. Everyone starts fighting over
who got what.

Ryan, if the Iraqis choose to ask US to leave Iraq then that is good news for both sides...

Justine Cooper wrote:The Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds are in a power play. yes the negotiations were secret at first and if you don't get the reality of bush's good friend making an oil deal in Iraq, and yes one that will cause more fighting, then you don't want to get the reality.

It is no big secret that the Kurds have been trying to attract oil companies to their region since the overthrow of Saddam. Most of the big oil companies (Shell, and BP) who have shareholders to answer to, have avoided this region and Iraq for some time (who can blame them). It was the Kurds who approached Hunt Oil. Hunt Oil announced the deal after it was signed. It is not like Hunt tried to keep this deal a secret. The Kurds have agreed to share all oil revenues from their region with the rest of Iraq.


Again, I cannot imagine the Kurds kowtowing to a friend of President Bush or even being influenced by Bush on this decision. Do you have any evidence that Bush was involved in these negotiations? or that the Kurds were forced to sign this deal with Hunt because of Bush? How about the other oil companies that have signed deals with the Kurds?

Evidence that Bush knew that his good friend on his advisory board was doing this? You really make me laugh. That is funny. So the Kurds are sharing the profits, is Hunt sharing the profits with families of the dead soldiers? Why should an American company get to profit off of a country we invaded? You really don't get that???

Justine Cooper wrote:Evidence that Bush knew that his good friend on his advisory board was doing this? You really make me laugh. That is funny. So the Kurds are sharing the profits, is Hunt sharing the profits with families of the dead soldiers? Why should an American company get to profit off of a country we invaded? You really don't get that???

So in other words, you have no facts to back your theory up?

I just can't picture the Kurds taking orders from Bush or the US.

Both sides in this dispute (The Iraq central gov and the Kurds) are arguing that the Iraqi Constitution supports their claim... How quickly they learn