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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:35 pm
by ryan costa
It is ok. I have an equal emotional reaction to black and white young people who walk around with their pants half a foot lower than they should be.

As for planned parenthood, I merely want opponents to it to come up with a more rational argument that is more thoroughly integrated with the broader socio-economic picture in the U.S. The Big TV Evangelists and politicians pandering to them all tend to live in isolated McMansion subdivisions. Prohibition of Alcohol was comparable to today's abortion issue from the mid 1800s through the early 1900s, in terms of the fervor and public attention span it consumed. at Least then both sides tended to live in the same neighborhoods, regardless of class. I am a fair guy.

I don't see the low pants, culture of stupidity and violence, and foul language as a racial thing. I see it as the ultimate result of a crass consumerism that is uniquely American and only temporarily available. And I see it as part of a continuum of business and marketing that has profited the opposite types of people. Think of the stereotypes as tragic fashion victims.

I'd bet everything I own that Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Frederick Douglas, and William Edward Burghardt Du Bois would reserve much more harshness for loud, foulmouthed, droopy drawered guys with kids or criminal records than I have for anyone white or black.

That's the problem with todays moral majority. In the past it wasn't necessary to worry about abortion, because newborns died so frequently. It was also common for parents to accidently roll over and smother their infants(it was common for parents and infants to sleep together). Guys didn't need to get divorced, because they could just leave the county or the state: Most had no social security numbers, no drivers licenses, no checking accounts, no credit cards, no 401(ks),

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Frank Murtaugh wrote:In general, characterizing what may be sarcasm, parody, religious belief, or politically incorrect statements etc. as hate speech is what is truly scary. Better to see some off the wall writing than to be censored by enlightened elite thought controllers who are well trained in the art of marginalizing and silencing those whose opinions they hate.

I assume the writer to whom you refer is being sarcastic. Why not ask him when you see him? And, you might ask him what is a "tubal litigation"?
Words of wisdom.... (great point)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:11 am
by Todd Shapiro
That's what is so great about the Observation Deck and America as a nation, both Ryan and Sharon can make uninformed or inflammatory comments without fear of censorship

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:59 am
by sharon kinsella
Todd -

Inflammatory - that's fine - I'll take that.

Uninformed - not by a long shot - you have no idea.

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:50 am
by Todd Shapiro
Sharon,

Oh My! If you would take the time to reread my first post your would see that I mention both yourself and Ryan AND I used the words inflammatory OR uninformed. NOT inflammatory AND uninformed. So if you agree that you may be inflammatory did you even think someone else might be uninformed. :o

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:52 am
by sharon kinsella
OMG - the sky is falling - I agree with you Todd.

This date will go down in history as an example of first and last.

great

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:11 pm
by ryan costa
I don't feel uninformed.

I'm a serious guy who embraces positive messages of the rock and roll past..

I read well informed books by reasonably objective authors, like Turbo Capitalism by Edward N. Luttwak, Collapse by Jared Diamond, Silicon Snake Oil by Cliff Stoll, Oil on the Brain, Asphalt Nation, Fast Food Nation, Greenspan's Fraud by Ravi Batra, and Coming Home to Eat by Gary Nabhan.