Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:23 pm
*hands Justine another can of Popeye Spinach* *hands Justine another can of Popeye Spinach*The Observation Deck
Neighbors Celebrating Free Speech and Intellectual Diversity While Speaking Over The Digital Fence
https://deck.lakewoodobserver.com/
Ssh! Rich People Reading!
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*hands Justine another can of Popeye Spinach*Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:43 pm
Justine Cooper wrote:" Should we get them all cell phones too?
For what it worth that won't be necessary as it has been my observation that most teens, rich, poor, or middle class, already have cell phones.
The writer of that letter is getting way to much satisfaction from all the attention, even negative, from his ridiculous letter.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:36 pm
Maybe not, Stephanie, maybe he will see that we all think he is a little snivelling coward.
Maybe some of us need to vent about this.
Maybe some of us need to vent about this.
Re: Ssh! Rich People Reading!
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:46 pm
David Lay wrote:http://www.clevescene.com/2007-08-01/news/the-411-on-the-911/
Scroll all the way to the bottom to read a letter from Joe Carter.
Thoughts?
Whoever "joe carter" is he's full of shit.
Very irresponsible gibberish.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:57 pm
The Library is in a temporary state of transition. In 7 months or so, when the project is completed, there will be an awful lot of state of the art computers at Main, and the greatly expanded computer center at Madison will remain.
There are a few who either don't understand the magnitude of the undertaking or appreciate that all of our patrons are experiencing some TEMPORARY service disruptions. I have received a number of personal emails complaining, but interestingly enough, each reads distinctly similar and the supposed sender is not a holder of a library card. I suspect that this letter, as with a number of blog posts and the emails directed to me, as president were sent by one person, who has yet to use his real name, under a variety of aliases.
So, continue to discuss it, if you must, but anyone who is even remotely familiar with the thousands of volunteer hours invested by a dedicated Board of Trustees in this project and the huge scope of free programming available to LPL users, beyond that available anywhere else, planned and presented by our dedicated staff should and will dismiss this "Carter" letter for the horse crap that it is.
Jeff
There are a few who either don't understand the magnitude of the undertaking or appreciate that all of our patrons are experiencing some TEMPORARY service disruptions. I have received a number of personal emails complaining, but interestingly enough, each reads distinctly similar and the supposed sender is not a holder of a library card. I suspect that this letter, as with a number of blog posts and the emails directed to me, as president were sent by one person, who has yet to use his real name, under a variety of aliases.
So, continue to discuss it, if you must, but anyone who is even remotely familiar with the thousands of volunteer hours invested by a dedicated Board of Trustees in this project and the huge scope of free programming available to LPL users, beyond that available anywhere else, planned and presented by our dedicated staff should and will dismiss this "Carter" letter for the horse crap that it is.
Jeff
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:15 am
It's just some idiot with a personal grudge against the library or Ken Warren, and they're doing their best to try and embarrass the library folks. Anyone who has been to the lovely new library can clearly see the signs noting that the computer center is TEMPORARILY located at the Madison branch, and knows that a new computer center is on its way when the library's renovations are complete, as many if not all of the positive stories that have come out about the library have reported.
Frankly, if anyone knows who this clown is, they should be "outed" so that we know who this person is and can find out what their vendetta is. Instead of hiding behind a fake name, let a little light in, and see what this person is up to.
Though if Pete Kotz is on the deck, he should have had his people verify if the letter came from a real person ... or if it's an issue, why not follow up with a story to prove that the allegations are utterly false.
Though to be honest, it's not like a whole lot of people are reading the "letters to the editor" section of Scene diligently. Most are looking up concert listings or reviews. And usually half the letters are complaints about concert and record reviewers being biased against the letter-writer's favorite band. So it's not exactly intellectual discourse that's going on in that section.
Frankly, if anyone knows who this clown is, they should be "outed" so that we know who this person is and can find out what their vendetta is. Instead of hiding behind a fake name, let a little light in, and see what this person is up to.
Though if Pete Kotz is on the deck, he should have had his people verify if the letter came from a real person ... or if it's an issue, why not follow up with a story to prove that the allegations are utterly false.
Though to be honest, it's not like a whole lot of people are reading the "letters to the editor" section of Scene diligently. Most are looking up concert listings or reviews. And usually half the letters are complaints about concert and record reviewers being biased against the letter-writer's favorite band. So it's not exactly intellectual discourse that's going on in that section.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:25 am
Still, has anyone drafted a reply to set the record straight?
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:02 am
Brian Pedaci wrote:Still, has anyone drafted a reply to set the record straight?
Brian
Again, why would anyone want to give this any mileage what alone more mileage.
When you argue with idiots they will drag you down to their level everytime and beat you with experience.
FWIW
.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:25 am
Jim,
I don't necessarily discussing the letter on the deck is giving it mileage, since the people that are on the deck mostly live in Lakewood and are thrilled about the changes to the library. I do think a reply so that anyone outside of Lakewood who may have read it (I agree it is not many) is not a bad idea. I still wonder why the Scene would print a letter like that, especially in light of the fact that all cities seem to have taken down their hoops and a computer to me is still a luxury. All teens and adults are lucky to have what we have in Lakewood and to suggest there is the city and the library are racist is slander is offensive to all who stand for equality here. I do hope someone outs him or her. What a troubled person!
I don't necessarily discussing the letter on the deck is giving it mileage, since the people that are on the deck mostly live in Lakewood and are thrilled about the changes to the library. I do think a reply so that anyone outside of Lakewood who may have read it (I agree it is not many) is not a bad idea. I still wonder why the Scene would print a letter like that, especially in light of the fact that all cities seem to have taken down their hoops and a computer to me is still a luxury. All teens and adults are lucky to have what we have in Lakewood and to suggest there is the city and the library are racist is slander is offensive to all who stand for equality here. I do hope someone outs him or her. What a troubled person!
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:04 am
Jim,
By replying to the letter, you aren't necessarily engaging discussion - I don't really suspect the guy will write back. It's like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - because the charge went unanswered, some people assumed it must be true. Those who have not yet visited the library could be fooled into thinking that what the person wrote is the truth.
The reply doesn't have to be confrontational, just informative. It would serve as good publicity and remind folks that the new library isn't done yet and the way it is isn't the way it will always be. Some folks around town seem to need that reminder.
By replying to the letter, you aren't necessarily engaging discussion - I don't really suspect the guy will write back. It's like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - because the charge went unanswered, some people assumed it must be true. Those who have not yet visited the library could be fooled into thinking that what the person wrote is the truth.
The reply doesn't have to be confrontational, just informative. It would serve as good publicity and remind folks that the new library isn't done yet and the way it is isn't the way it will always be. Some folks around town seem to need that reminder.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:41 pm
Justine
With our monthly hits now approaching 3,000,000 there are many the do not know of the letter or would have never seen it. The other day it was mentioned about marketing Lakewood. I was going to post but decided against it.
One reason I worked to keep things positive and upbeat is that the board has become a huge marketing tool for Lakewood. Larger than we could have ever imagined. I always wonder how many read the note, without the follow up.
Brian
The book on the LO will be interesting. When it comes to negative lies and BS, especially from faux named sources, best to ignore.
But that is just my opinion. I know the library has no intention of responding.
FWIW
.
With our monthly hits now approaching 3,000,000 there are many the do not know of the letter or would have never seen it. The other day it was mentioned about marketing Lakewood. I was going to post but decided against it.
One reason I worked to keep things positive and upbeat is that the board has become a huge marketing tool for Lakewood. Larger than we could have ever imagined. I always wonder how many read the note, without the follow up.
Brian
The book on the LO will be interesting. When it comes to negative lies and BS, especially from faux named sources, best to ignore.
But that is just my opinion. I know the library has no intention of responding.
FWIW
.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:14 pm
Chris and Brian:
While I am very reluctant to respond publicly to the attack in question, I appreciate the question you raised on the LO Deck and feel compelled by the racially loaded aspersions cast against city and others rather than myself in the letter to provide background that might provide a measuring rod for truth and justice.
Along with the Board of Trustees, I’ve been dealing with a disgruntled person since typewriters were removed from the library. Over the past two decades he has from time to time published flyers contesting various matters and institutions – hospital, CEI, library, RTA. He has fabricated a great deal of falsehood about me and the library. In flyers produced on library computer and placed in the Community Newsroom, he has called he me a little dictator, Hitler and demanded my firing. That’s his right. I would never stop him. After 9/11 and the Anthrax scare he quipped to a staff member that he may sprinkle white power around the director’s office. He sets-up front groups and events and attempts to register them under false names.
I would suspect that when people don’t find the increasing volume of claims and complaints credible he changes names.
He is well known in editorial rooms. Roger Vozar of the Sun Papers, which publishes his letters from time to time had once remarked to a staff member that this person often sends letters under alias names after reaching the limits of letters under his real name.
When he does not get his way, the names and letters proliferate.
With the Technology Center closing at Main Library, several e-mail messages to the Board President under different names have been received.
By the way, there's another letter in the Lakewood paper produced by Westlaker Times under another name with more lies.
I don't know the degree of verification and fact-checking that goes on in editorial rooms.
One can examine the handiwork below and attempt to discern the true identity of the letter writer.
“There's no need to improve Euclid transit: Regarding your August 17 story on RTA's Euclid Corridor Project ["No Free Ride"]:
An RTA official told me months ago that Cleveland Mayor Michael White, who appoints half of its trustees and thereby seems to control RTA, asked RTA to do the Euclid Corridor Project in order to use RTA money to improve Euclid Avenue from Public Square to East 17th Street, to promote downtown business development. The project is an unjustified, unnecessary, excessively expensive $300 million duplication of existing, adequate bus service on Euclid Avenue.
The Euclid Corridor Project is another version of RTA's idiotic Dual Hub plan, which RTA spent a million dollars studying and promoting a few years ago, but dropped after continuous strong public opposition, since it would have cost at least a billion dollars to put that planned subway under Euclid Avenue from Public Square to University Circle. Was it a makework project to give construction companies connected to the RTA trustees or Mayor White big contracts?
While wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on these bogus projects, including the little-used waterfront rapid, RTA is cutting back existing bus service. In August, RTA substantially reduced bus service frequency on the 3/26 route, one of RTA's most heavily used buslines. RTA repeatedly told me they did not know why they reduced the 3/26 bus service. To free up money for the Euclid Corridor project or the RTA officials' salaries?
Steve Gannis
Lakewood
Source: http://www.clevescene.com/2000-09-14/ne ... ut-harvey/
=======
“OUTRAGES EXPOSED
The Free Times should expose such local outrages as the following: Cleveland's City Council refuses to introduce legislation to prohibit Cleveland hospitals from their current practice of sometimes banning patients for complaining about their medical care.
One example is Cleveland Clinic's CEO Dr. Floyd Loop, who banned a patient a few weeks after the patient wrote a complaint about Loop to the State Medical Board. The Board did not deny the truth of the complaint, but let Loop get away with banning the patient for filing it. By contrast, the Ohio nursing home bill of rights law prohibits retaliation by nursing homes against any of their residents who complain. Major Cleveland hospitals get hundreds of millions of government dollars, our taxes, as Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. But politicians in government seem sold-out to the medical industry, and won't support this needed law. Good medical care requires the right to complain without such retaliation by hospitals.
Concerned? Call Ohio Patients Rights, 216-221-0228 to help get this law passed in Cleveland.
Steve Gannis
Lakewood
Source: http://www.freetimes.com/stories/12/15/ ... ugust-4-10
>From: Steve Gannis <rainbows5328@yahoo.com>
>To: Kris Harsh <kristohio@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: newspaper plans
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:36:04 -0800 (PST)
>The New York nesspaper does not get read much in Cleveland, does it? I am
>willing to help. The big question is who will pay to have it printed? Even
>a monthly of 2 pages. It is really needed. I tried to ask the Scene to do a
>news stroy about Giant Eagle now selling irraduated meat, and the fact that
>lakewood has a law banning the sale of irradiated food. As usual, the
>management at the Scene was very snotty and not interested. The Scene is
>all about money and image, they never were part of the movemnet, like the
>early Free Times sort of was. How much money can you folks raise for a
>montlhy broadsheet kind of thing? I'm afraid too few people read your web
>site to make enough difference. How many people click it on weekly ?
Source:
http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc ... 00857.html
See also
http://pbr.ohio.gov/pdf/2000/00-INV-03-0119.pdf
==================
Thank you,
Kenneth Warren
Director
Lakewood Public Library
While I am very reluctant to respond publicly to the attack in question, I appreciate the question you raised on the LO Deck and feel compelled by the racially loaded aspersions cast against city and others rather than myself in the letter to provide background that might provide a measuring rod for truth and justice.
Along with the Board of Trustees, I’ve been dealing with a disgruntled person since typewriters were removed from the library. Over the past two decades he has from time to time published flyers contesting various matters and institutions – hospital, CEI, library, RTA. He has fabricated a great deal of falsehood about me and the library. In flyers produced on library computer and placed in the Community Newsroom, he has called he me a little dictator, Hitler and demanded my firing. That’s his right. I would never stop him. After 9/11 and the Anthrax scare he quipped to a staff member that he may sprinkle white power around the director’s office. He sets-up front groups and events and attempts to register them under false names.
I would suspect that when people don’t find the increasing volume of claims and complaints credible he changes names.
He is well known in editorial rooms. Roger Vozar of the Sun Papers, which publishes his letters from time to time had once remarked to a staff member that this person often sends letters under alias names after reaching the limits of letters under his real name.
When he does not get his way, the names and letters proliferate.
With the Technology Center closing at Main Library, several e-mail messages to the Board President under different names have been received.
By the way, there's another letter in the Lakewood paper produced by Westlaker Times under another name with more lies.
I don't know the degree of verification and fact-checking that goes on in editorial rooms.
One can examine the handiwork below and attempt to discern the true identity of the letter writer.
“There's no need to improve Euclid transit: Regarding your August 17 story on RTA's Euclid Corridor Project ["No Free Ride"]:
An RTA official told me months ago that Cleveland Mayor Michael White, who appoints half of its trustees and thereby seems to control RTA, asked RTA to do the Euclid Corridor Project in order to use RTA money to improve Euclid Avenue from Public Square to East 17th Street, to promote downtown business development. The project is an unjustified, unnecessary, excessively expensive $300 million duplication of existing, adequate bus service on Euclid Avenue.
The Euclid Corridor Project is another version of RTA's idiotic Dual Hub plan, which RTA spent a million dollars studying and promoting a few years ago, but dropped after continuous strong public opposition, since it would have cost at least a billion dollars to put that planned subway under Euclid Avenue from Public Square to University Circle. Was it a makework project to give construction companies connected to the RTA trustees or Mayor White big contracts?
While wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on these bogus projects, including the little-used waterfront rapid, RTA is cutting back existing bus service. In August, RTA substantially reduced bus service frequency on the 3/26 route, one of RTA's most heavily used buslines. RTA repeatedly told me they did not know why they reduced the 3/26 bus service. To free up money for the Euclid Corridor project or the RTA officials' salaries?
Steve Gannis
Lakewood
Source: http://www.clevescene.com/2000-09-14/ne ... ut-harvey/
=======
“OUTRAGES EXPOSED
The Free Times should expose such local outrages as the following: Cleveland's City Council refuses to introduce legislation to prohibit Cleveland hospitals from their current practice of sometimes banning patients for complaining about their medical care.
One example is Cleveland Clinic's CEO Dr. Floyd Loop, who banned a patient a few weeks after the patient wrote a complaint about Loop to the State Medical Board. The Board did not deny the truth of the complaint, but let Loop get away with banning the patient for filing it. By contrast, the Ohio nursing home bill of rights law prohibits retaliation by nursing homes against any of their residents who complain. Major Cleveland hospitals get hundreds of millions of government dollars, our taxes, as Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. But politicians in government seem sold-out to the medical industry, and won't support this needed law. Good medical care requires the right to complain without such retaliation by hospitals.
Concerned? Call Ohio Patients Rights, 216-221-0228 to help get this law passed in Cleveland.
Steve Gannis
Lakewood
Source: http://www.freetimes.com/stories/12/15/ ... ugust-4-10
>From: Steve Gannis <rainbows5328@yahoo.com>
>To: Kris Harsh <kristohio@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: newspaper plans
>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:36:04 -0800 (PST)
>The New York nesspaper does not get read much in Cleveland, does it? I am
>willing to help. The big question is who will pay to have it printed? Even
>a monthly of 2 pages. It is really needed. I tried to ask the Scene to do a
>news stroy about Giant Eagle now selling irraduated meat, and the fact that
>lakewood has a law banning the sale of irradiated food. As usual, the
>management at the Scene was very snotty and not interested. The Scene is
>all about money and image, they never were part of the movemnet, like the
>early Free Times sort of was. How much money can you folks raise for a
>montlhy broadsheet kind of thing? I'm afraid too few people read your web
>site to make enough difference. How many people click it on weekly ?
Source:
http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc ... 00857.html
See also
http://pbr.ohio.gov/pdf/2000/00-INV-03-0119.pdf
==================
Thank you,
Kenneth Warren
Director
Lakewood Public Library
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:39 pm
Is he the guy that distributes the flyers about City Hall letting hospitals ban you if you complain?
Ken, was he arrested for this?
Kenneth Warren wrote: After 9/11 and the Anthrax scare he quipped to a staff member that he may sprinkle white powder around the director’s office.
Ken, was he arrested for this?