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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:25 pm
by ryan costa
I don't know what the purpose is of high school debating teams. When I watch a Presidential Debate it seems little more than a collection of slogans and power phrases that don't make much sense outside of a very limited context. Presidential Candidates are at the top, so I assume their debating is top notch, and reflects the purpose of becoming a good debator.

One of my friends in college had been on debating teams. He went on to become a tv anchorman. He was a swell guy and all, and very good at wearing a suit and public speaking. His conversations left much to be desired though, and he was very unpleasant when drinking.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:48 pm
by dl meckes
It is suggested that "many studies" rank the fear of public speaking as the most common phobia. Debate can help with that.

Learning to choose how to argue an idea and researching the facts to be used in said argument is beneficial. Debate can help with that.

Learning how to "find your voice" cannot be done without practice. Debate can help with that. Poetry slams and open-mic nights at comedy clubs can help, too, but those venues aren't as readily available to high school students as debate club.

I can't remember when I have heard a political debate that truly illuminated policies and beliefs.

At times they can be entertaining, like Lloyd Bentsen telling Dan Quayle, "I knew John Kennedy. John Kennedy was a friend of mine, and Senator, you're no John F. Kennedy."

It was a marvelous opportunity to showboat and Bentsen did well at that. But so much substance may be lost due to an unfortunate performance that I would hate to base my decision on a debate.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:16 pm
by Chuck S. Greanoff
Bill and Bret---Haven't gottten to my email today, but we accept your offer to team-up. The club meets tomorrow, and I will contact you on the format/specifics after that. Thanks for your help..Chuck

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:28 pm
by Paul Schrimpf
The time that an idea reaches its apex of acceptance is the perfect time to add in a dissenting voice, or at least a questioning voice. it's a real missed opportunity for an ambitious high school debater.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:24 pm
by Stan Austin
:D Bill, those kids are gonna kick your A**

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:04 pm
by Tom Bullock
The reason there's such unanimity among the younger generation that global warming is real, is here, and is a problem is because the science overwhelmingly proves that. Also, the younger generation, with more open minds, has less problem accepting new concepts.

The only scientists who doubt global warming are on the payroll of industry. Kind of like the only doctors who doubt smoking causes cancer are on the payroll of tobacco companies.

So to ask students to debate against global warming is like asking them to argue the world is flat. An interesting intellectual exercise, but...

Just this year alone, three reports have been released establishing that global warming is man-made, it's already with us, and there are changes we can make to alleviate the problem.

They are authored by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a panel of more than 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries. The supervisory working group reflects the collaboration of 127 lead authors and 837 reviewers who incorporated thousands of comments from expert reviewers. The authors and reviewers were drawn from 74 countries.


Below is just a smattering of recent coverage on the issue:


Low Levels Concern In Lake Erie
Apr 16 2007 6:26AM
ONN

Cleveland, Ohio - Low water levels on the Great Lakes could spell trouble for the shipping industry this year.

Now's the time of year when harbors along the Great Lakes thaw and shipping begins. Vessels on the Great Lakes carry ten percent of the country's waterborne cargo.

But excitement over the start of this year's season is being replaced by anxiety over the low water levels that are forcing shippers to lighten their loads so they can move safely into harbor.

An official with the Lake Carriers Association says for every inch the lakes recede, ships must reduce their loads between 50 and 270 tons.

Lighter loads in turn mean headaches for suppliers that send their goods on vessels.

Copyright 2007, Associated Press




There's no doubt about global warming
Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:40 AM
The Columbus Dispatch

In April 1994, executives from major tobacco companies appeared before a congressional committee chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif. Under questioning, they swore under oath that they believed nicotine was not addictive and that smoking was not proved to cause disease. Based on their testimony, one could deny that there is consensus about whether nicotine is addictive and smoking causes disease. But no responsible parent would tell his or her teenager to go light up.

In a nutshell, that is my response to the various letters that The Dispatch chooses to publish that insist there is no consensus on global warming -- most recently, Lou Hirsch's letter last Saturday. To the extent that consensus can exist on any issue, there is consensus in the scientific community that global warming is real, human-caused and a threat, and there's been consensus for some time. Anyone wishing to verify that can start with Naomi Oreskes' article, "Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," in the Dec. 3, 2004, issue of Science.

The definitive source on climate-change research has been the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an international body created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the U.N. Environment Program. The IPCC's 1995 report was peer-reviewed by more than 3,000 climatologists and risk experts. In February, the IPCC released its fourth report, and a summary is available at www.ipcc.ch/. The IPCC has reported extensively on the data proving climate change, human causation and the risks we now face because of it.

Just this past week, the IPCC released "Climate Change 2007: Climate Change Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability." More than 200 scientists helped prepare this most recent release, and a draft summary is available at www.ipcc.ch/SPM6avr07.pdf. Scientists no longer have to speculate about the effects of global warming; the effects are happening in front of their eyes.

From the front page of the April 7 New York Times: "The new report, focusing on the effects of warming, for the first time describes how species, water supplies, ice sheets and regional climate conditions are already responding to the global buildup of heat. At a news conference here, Martin Parry, the co-chairman of the team that wrote the new report, said widespread effects were already measurable, with much more to come. 'We're no longer arm-waving with models,' he said. 'This is empirical information on the ground.' "

The most respected scientific body in the United States, the National Academy of Sciences, evaluated the previous work of the IPCC and called it fundamentally sound. The organization's work is not some U.N. conspiracy. It reflects the considered results of current, data-supported, state-of-the-art science.

The crucial discussion is no longer about whether global warming is real or what caused it, but how we can minimize the damage to the planet we leave our children. That's called being responsible. It's too late to avert large-scale changes. However, scientists such as James E. Hansen, top climate-change researcher at NASA, tell us that greenhouse-gas reductions of just 2 percent a year can help us avoid catastrophic changes. We can do that. But we need to take the challenge seriously, and we need to start now. For more information on what we can do, see www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/.

DAVID A. SCOTT
Member, Conservation Governance Committee
National Sierra Club, Columbus



Global warming no longer a question
BY THOMAS V. LOWELL | GUEST COLUMNIST
04/16/07, Cincinnati Enquirer

Given the recent explosive growth and availability of scientific information about global warming and the increased specialization of scientific inquiry, it is indeed a challenge for interested citizens to judge conflicting assertions made by scientific "experts."

Dan Nebert ("Global warming related to our Earth's natural cycles," April 8) is to be commended for trying to make an independent assessment of the cause or causes of global warming. Unfortunately his assessment falls short for reasons that he may not be aware of, given that his primary training and study is not in climatology.

The large climate swings, known as glacial cycles or ice ages, that Nebert examines have been of interest to the scientific community for some time. These alternating warm and cold periods are at least 100,000 years in length, as well observed in the ice cores that Nebert makes reference to. During the last four cycles, glacial intervals persisted for about 90 percent of the cycle, whereas the warm intervals were only about 10 percent of the cycle (i.e. 90,000 years of extensive glaciers followed by 10,000 years of warmer climate, on average).

Although some connections remain unclear, this cold-warm rhythm is a result of the non-perfect orbit of the Earth around the sun. Since the sun is the furnace keeping the Earth warm, we can think of these orbital changes as slight increases or decreases in the effective output received from the furnace. Since orbits are known well into the future, it can be shown that over the next several thousand years the expected trend would be to turn down the furnace. The result would be to cool, not warm, the Earth.

The issue at hand, however, is whether humans are able to, and indeed do, impact climate change on shorter timescales. In actuality, Nebert's analysis does not address this question. The earth has a natural protective blanket that keeps heat in. Technically, this blanket is provided by greenhouse gases, of which carbon dioxide (CO2) is the best known.

One way to regulate the temperature of the Earth is to increase or decrease the thickness of the blanket, which can be independent of the climatic cycles that Nebert described. The concentration of CO2 has tended to vary naturally from about 180 parts per million (ppm) to 290 ppm. Any rise above 290 ppm will increase blanket thickness above and beyond what is expected during a natural glacial cycle. The burning of fossil fuels releases CO2 into the air and adds to the blanket. In fact, the current level of CO2 is about 380 ppm, well above the natural range observed during past interglacials.

The direct correlation between this increase and the onset of the industrial revolution is well documented. Since the blanket is thicker, the temperature will correspond in kind, as concluded recently by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC; http://www.ipcc.ch/), and by virtually every scientific organization that has studied the issue.

Regrettably political activists, from both sides, have tried to alter the answer to a basic physics question.

Rather than continue that debate as Nebert has done, should we not turn our attention to the far more challenging problem of how to adapt to this changed reality?

Thomas V. Lowell is professor, Department of Geology, at the University of Cincinnati and has received National Science Foundation and Comer Science and Education Foundation support to study climate changes associated with the ice ages.



http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/edito ... 194375.htm

Call to stewardship
Akron Beacon Journal EDITORIAL
Tuesday, May 08, 2007

In its third report, the International Panel on Climate Change frames action on two fronts to combat global warming

The International Panel on Climate Change reflects the work of the world's leading scientists on global warming. Earlier in the year, the panel reported with near certainty that the heightened warming of the planet since 1950 has been caused by increasing levels of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. A second analysis, issued last month, highlighted significant changes in weather, water and ecological patterns already in motion and threatening harm to ways of life.

Both studies made plain the urgent need for countries, developed and developing, to take action to curb greenhouse emissions.

On Friday, the panel, in a third report, further reinforced the thinking. It explained that greenhouse gases have risen 70 percent since 1970 and could rise an additional 90 percent by 2030 (a mere 23 years) if countries fail to act. Encouraging about the report was the conclusion that tools are available now to limit greenhouse emissions. Thus, known technologies can be put to work even as advances are pursued in such areas as alternative energy sources.

One place to start would be requiring cars and trucks to burn gasoline more efficiently. The country made dramatic progress in the 1980s. The effort has stalled during the past decade or more. Perhaps gasoline prices soaring past $3 a gallon will prove inspiration enough for Congress. To his credit, President Bush has voiced support for higher fuel-efficiency standards. The Democratic majorities on Capitol Hill should press him to be more ambitious.

This course points to greater use of hybrid cars. It also signals the need to build on recent progress developing energy-efficient appliances. More, the country must embrace the contribution of nuclear power. The panel on climate change also cited the value of setting standards to encourage remedial action, say, requiring a certain percentage of a utility's power to come from renewable sources, or setting up a system of trading emissions credits, bringing elements of the marketplace to the effort.

Ultimately, the task may require a carbon tax, putting alternative fuels in a more competitive position. It certainly involves an increased investment in alternative energy sources, for instance, cellulosic ethanol, a more energy- and environment-friendly option than corn-based ethanol. The panel noted that in real terms public funding for energy research has been flat or declining the past two decades.

None of these steps will be cheap. At one point, the panel framed the burden as adding as much as $1 to a gallon of gasoline. Before you choke, consider the consequences of failing to act. In addition, consider the record: Studies have shown consistently that the benefits of environmental protection have far outweighed the costs, beginning with the development of technologies that generate new jobs.

What a boon to Ohio if burning coal becomes cleaner through the capture of carbon-dioxide emissions. The prospect should be incentive enough at the Statehouse and in Washington for action on the two fronts advised by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: Put current technology to work, and invest heavily in the next generation fuels and the like, knowing that a first responsibility involves sound stewardship of the planet.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:33 pm
by dl meckes
Paul Schrimpf wrote:The time that an idea reaches its apex of acceptance is the perfect time to add in a dissenting voice, or at least a questioning voice. it's a real missed opportunity for an ambitious high school debater.


Debate, in my mind, is about examining an issue.

But wishing that someone would debate an issue is met with derision. Ryan Costa writes,
It could be the debate club is smart enough to believe global warming and the human contribution to global warming is real.


Tom Bullock writes,
the younger generation, with more open minds, has less problem accepting new concepts.


Because I think debate is valuable, I have twice been informed that I am old and close-minded. I can see that examining and questioning ideas is close-minded and old-fashioned.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:40 pm
by Tom Bullock
dl,
That comment wasn't directed at you, but on a second reading, my tone was inappropriate anyway.

So I retract the judgmental parts of my comments.

Sorry,
Tom

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:51 pm
by Danielle Masters
It's a scary day to me when our youth chooses not to question and not to debate. Seems to me that children that merely accept without questioning are not being taught but being brainwashed. Debate, free thought, and curiosity are all wonderful. They are what make us special. I am quite certain there are youth out there that question the causes of global warming. Many of them probably don't speak out due to fear of persecution and just not wanting to be subjected to the name calling that so often permeates these types of debates. I do hope though that someone steps up to defend their views. While it is difficult to stand out, it's far better than allowing your voice to go unheard.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:21 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Danielle Masters wrote:It's a scary day to me when our youth chooses not to question and not to debate. Seems to me that children that merely accept without questioning are not being taught but being brainwashed. Debate, free thought, and curiosity are all wonderful. They are what make us special. I am quite certain there are youth out there that question the causes of global warming. Many of them probably don't speak out due to fear of persecution and just not wanting to be subjected to the name calling that so often permeates these types of debates. I do hope though that someone steps up to defend their views. While it is difficult to stand out, it's far better than allowing your voice to go unheard.


Danielle

Is it not also possible that the class believes in it's heart that global warming is real?


Chuck

With Bill and Bret, might as well take on Evolution as well. :wink:


Tom Bullock

Open minds are great, but without the critical chops to process and assess the information. It is like giving an alligator a screwdriver. Without thumbs...


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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:30 am
by Jeff Endress
Danielle:

I am quite certain there are youth out there that question the causes of global warming. Many of them probably don't speak out due to fear of persecution and just not wanting to be subjected to the name calling that so often permeates these types of debates


It is more likely that this small cross section of the LHS population that makes up the debate club may not contain members who have a contrary view, unlike other issues they have debated. In groups such as a debating society, there is a general acceptance of divergent views on a great many issues and it is doubtful that any voice taking on one side or another in a debate club would be silenced out of fear of name calling.

Jeff

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:18 am
by Danielle Masters
It is more likely that this small cross section of the LHS population that makes up the debate club may not contain members who have a contrary view,


That is quite possible, but I also find it odd. Debate clubs or teams generally bring out the strong personalities within the schools. Strong personalities often disagree with the status quo. It just seems odd that in a school the size of LHS no one dissents. Are we teaching or breeding sheep? I just have to wonder.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:25 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Danielle Masters wrote:
It is more likely that this small cross section of the LHS population that makes up the debate club may not contain members who have a contrary view,


That is quite possible, but I also find it odd. Debate clubs or teams generally bring out the strong personalities within the schools. Strong personalities often disagree with the status quo. It just seems odd that in a school the size of LHS no one dissents. Are we teaching or breeding sheep? I just have to wonder.


Danielle

I could be wrong, but I do not think the entire school is in the debate club.

Breeding sheep, no medicating them. Over 50% of teens on medication to control emotions.

(edit was "entire" added)


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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:26 am
by Danielle Masters
One more note. When I was in high school I participated in many debates. Many times we debated on the other side. Do debate teams/clubs no longer ask you to put the shoe on the other foot? Debating for opposing side, even if it's not your own personal belief can allow for great growth and further understanding. Odd that no students can debate for an issue contrary to their own personal feelings.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:32 am
by Jeff Endress
It just seems odd that in a school the size of LHS no one dissents. Are we teaching or breeding sheep? I just have to wonder.


There's plenty of dissent at LHS....on any number of issues. But, apparently, within the small confines of those who choose to participate in the debate club, there must be general agreement on the issue of global warming. To generalize this agreement on one issue to the entire population and further extend it to concerns over "teaching or breeding sheep" is a bit of a stretch.

Jeff