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Bret Callentine
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Post by Bret Callentine »

here we go again...

As for breaking laws, you don't think lying to this country about why we went in there is breaking a law?


IF he did indeed LIE, then yes, he broke the law. but that remains to be seen. Once again, yes, I wish we would go ahead with an investigation into that matter. But until it's proven, please stop stating it as FACT, that Bush broke the law.

There is a HUGE gap between being wrong and being deceitful.
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I agree it has all been stated over and over. If you really believe that Bush was not lying, but was mislead, then why did they "out" the CIA agent whom was the wife of the man investigating the person who supposedly told us that there were nuclear weapons! And why did it take a year to start an investigation on 911? A year? Because nothing about it led to Iraq. The widows of fallen men had to go repeatedly to Congress to even get an investigation, and when they did, he appointed Kissinger! The difference between Kissinger and a terrorist, is that a terrorist says "I am a terrorist".
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Usless Time Wasting Exercise

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Ms Cooper

What a totally useless suggestion - e-mail kucinich re What International laws were/are being broken .

To think he/staff would respond considering he is either overseas at some London or European "Stop the war" Protest gathering or on either coast picking up pennies for the "djk Pres II farce" has as much chance as the Easter Bunny telling us . Also the likelihood that he seldom engages the brain before running his mouth is also a very real possibility . Far easier for him and many others to spit out his unsupported opinions than try to act and argue logically based upon facts .

A Useless Pathetic "REPRESENTative" of Ohio-10 . Hell he was last seen in NE Ohio a few weeks ago for the Cleveland St Pat parade - been MIA since and this will continue until the FEC cuts off our taxpayer matching funds come this summer (after he draws his 1% of each state votes) . Yet he continues to pick up the Congressional Ohio-10 $168.5k / year salary for his "efforts" in NE Ohio . Such "public service" from a " servant of the people" but typical for denny and a repeat of 2004 .

If he wants to run his mouth - so be it - but he should do the responsible thing and resign so his time is his own , NOT paid for by your and mine tax dollars . One can only serve one master and for kucinich it is dennis and surely NOT the residents of Ohio-10 .

But I would encourage you to e-mail "him" or his DC mouthpiece Doug Gordon and then "share" with us his directed reply . Good Luck

I would think the Easter Bunny option is more apt to produce a reply .
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Post by Ivor Karabatkovic »

We've failed to provide troops and aid to Sudan, Darfur, and other parts of africa.
when genocide is going on, we the United States have to act. We signed on to it and do not follow the Geneva Convention rules at all.

This president is blind, and so are his followers.

I can't wait until the subpoena goes through, and Bush and all his aid's get exposed to the dirty business they do in that house on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Another line, anyone?
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I did just email him. Now I will email the Easter Bunny (do you know his address) and see who emails back first! I never said he was perfect or that he should be out of Ohio with our tax money, but I still admire him more than the current administration who wastes much, much more money with blood shed.
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Post by Bret Callentine »

and the hits just keep on commin'...

We've failed to provide troops and aid to Sudan, Darfur, and other parts of africa. when genocide is going on, we the United States have to act


So we're SUPPOSED to do something in Darfur and the Sudan, but Iraq is off limits? That makes a lot of sense.

We signed on to it and do not follow the Geneva Convention rules at all.


Okay, yet another unsupported accusation. hey Ivor, while everyone else is looking up answers to my other questions, could you please review the Geneva Convention and tell me which of THOSE rules we've broken?

here's the U.N. website: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

my eyesight may be pretty bad, but blind?
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Post by Bret Callentine »

oh, and I really love this one...

The difference between Kissinger and a terrorist, is that a terrorist says "I am a terrorist"


call Kissinger whatever you want, but 'a terrorist says "I am a terrorist"'.

That's hilarious.

Man, so much for the long lines at the airport. From now on, all we have to do is ask; "sir, are you a terrorist?" Because apparently, they'll just tell you.

Man, how stupid we've been. Millions of dollars in scanning equipment down the tubes.

I hope you included this fail safe suggestion for interrogation in your e-mail to Kucinich. It could potentially save us billions of dollars.
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Post by Danielle Masters »

Man, so much for the long lines at the airport. From now on, all we have to do is ask; "sir, are you a terrorist?" Because apparently, they'll just tell you.


Bret, did you forget? We don't need security at airports because it wasn't terrorists that flew the planes it was the US government.
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My grandmother wouldn't have to take her shoes off at the airport if this country didn't allow them to come in and train on our planes.

And who said our government flew the planes? I must have missed them.

And you of coursed missed my point Bret. After the terrorist butcher, they claim terrorism. After anyone here does it, they claim...what do they claim? What is their best defense for bombing Cambodia when they weren't involved in Vietnam? Or giving money to people and then labeling them terrorists that came out of nowhere. Who created the "terrorists" and who jumped into a country unprovoked and left thousands dead?
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...if this country didn't allow them to come in and train on our planes


stop it, you're too much. It's hard to type when I'm laughing.

Just what are you suggesting we do? Close down the boarders entirely or just forbid anyone of a different nationality from getting an education in the United States?

"I'm sorry sir, but you're French. We can't possibly admit you into our truck driving institute, because you just might use the skills you gain in a terrorist attack against Justine's Grandmother."

This is great stuff. And you were worried about Bush declaring martial law?

And you of coursed missed my point Bret


No, I believe I understand your point exactly. You have nothing to stand on, so when challenged, you simply change the subject.

Now we're into the Vietnam war? Okay, I'll bite, THAT may well have been the single most idiotic course of action in American History. Happy? What does that have to do with Iraq being legal or illegal?

after the terrorist butcher, they claim terrorism


wrong again. After the terrorists blow people up, they claim they have the religious or political right to do so. And what do you know, after we drop bombs, so do we. So once again it really comes down to the question of who's there illegally, according to these international laws. Which is why I'm asking once again....

Which laws have we broken?

Or do you suggest that just because the guy from Iran or Syria is Muslim, he has the right to blow people up in Iraq, and since most of our troops are Christian, that OBVIOUSLY means that we're the terrorists.
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Post by DougHuntingdon »

Bush lied
People died

Therefore, vote for Kucinich!?!??!?!?!?
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In 2005 a German Court declared that the United States had violated International Law in attacking Iraq.


[color=orange]The court referred to Article 4, Paragraph 4 of the United Nations Charter, which classifies “everyâ€Â
what happens to a dream deferred .......

maybe it just sags like a heavy load
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Post by Ivor Karabatkovic »

Bush lied
People died

Therefore, vote for Kucinich!?!??!?!?!?


no, vote democrat.
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Maybe we should listen to Russian courts, too. Don't forget Cuban, Iranian, and Syrian courts.
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Post by Bret Callentine »

Thank you David for the post. At least someone stepped up with a valid argument. Although, I do have to agree with Doug. The German High Court does not speak for the U.N. If the U.N. would like to come forward and suggest that the U.S. is breaking international law, then that would be something, but otherwise, I'm still of the opinion that calling the war illegal is not FACT.

But back to the issues you raised. First of all, Who exactly was present to argued on behalf of the U.S. and England in this trial?

Second, I'm not sure I'm following the rules of the game here. Why would you need a second U.N. resolution to officially repeal the first U.N. resolution that was not being followed? A cease fire is a cease fire only until someone starts shooting again.

In an Issue Brief for Congress that I got through a Library of Congress link, (http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp) they document; "During March 2000-March 2001, Iraqi air defense fired at or near fixed radar or allied aircraft enforcing the zones on 500 occasions."

Further, speaking of Iraq's chemical weapons, following what was supposed to have been the conclusion of formal destruction operations on June of 1994, "the fate of about 31,600 chemical munitions, 550 mustard gas bombs, and 4,000 tons of chemical precursors, remains unknown." and "In 1998 UNSCOM discovered that shells taken from Iraq in 1996 contained 97% pure mustard gas, indicating it was freshly produced."

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

But your right, we should definitely have waited for the U.N. to repeal the ceasefire, because I'm sure Sadaam would have gotten official approval through the U.N. before he used any of these weapons.

And as for U.N. resolution 687, it requires Iraq - in return for a graduated easing of sanctions - to end its weapons of mass destruction programs, recognize Kuwait, account for missing Kuwaitis, return Kuwaiti property, and end support for terrorism. About the only thing they DID DO is recognize Kuwait.

Whether we found WMDs or not is not a valid issue at all, we had the right to look and the burden of proof was on Iraq. They threw the inspectors out, so we had every right to assume that they either already had WMD's or were carrying out operations to create them.

And check yourself before you start putting all this on Bush again, most of these reports were issued during the Clinton administration.
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