The Observation Deck

Well I would hate to take any of Bush's vacations away, but one of the reasons it falls on Bush is he left Fema in control by a horse guy while he went on vacation while New Orleans and the whole area waited for their fate.

Jim -

There was no FEMA until 1979, well after the riots.

Federal emergency relief before FEMA consisted of dozens of agencies doing different things at different times. I do not think Carter's motivation to sign an executive order to establish FEMA had anything to do with Martial Law and more to do with creating efficiencies in government. (Efficiencies in government - laugh out loud funny).

There is a civil defense element to FEMA - prepare civilians for military attack. Perhaps this is the "verbiage" that leaves you feeling uncomfortable.

Oh Bret,
I just remembered how Bush tied into Fema's inadequacies. Because Bush did not declare Arkansas a national disaster, Fema could not lend them their trailers, thus leaving them, children and all, homeless. So what happened to the verbage of Fema that they supersede the president then?

The root of the problems with FEMA and other disaster agencies began long before all of us were born. The lack of cooperation, the holes in the communications, the lack of proper structure in Washington, on and on.
A good friend, and very well known retired Parma police officer, who was heavily involved in the military also, who passed on last year, talked at length about these things, as far back as WWII snafus, Korean war snafus and on until currant times.
Blaming any one person is like putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.

More than a few laws or positions looked at, need to be re-organized and planned again, to make it work.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

Then that is what should happen. Only about 6% of Fema's funds go toward disaster relief. The rest goes, ??? to protect the government...With global warming I think a lot more money is going to be needed for natural disasters. Something has to change. Doesn't the tax money fund Fema? Are we going to be OK to continue hearing the money we pay in taxes goes in the toilet while seniors can't afford medicine and mentally ill wander the street because there are no funds to help them.

Iraq is nothing but a economic interest to the US.

Arkansas is nothing but..wheat? maybe some sunflowers here and there. cattle, too.

with livestock providing 20 times greater damage than all cars in the world combined... it's the PETA's and vegetarians that would rather save animals than our own environment. How ironic.

Global warming has been going on for longer than a decade now, and while every nation signs onto the Kyoto treaty the US doesn't. It's our own ignorance that will kill us eventually.

Bush is just digging himself into a deeper hole. If he continues he'll end up digging himself a passage to hell and that will save god the troubles.

I hate to spoil it for everyone but we're all going to die one day anyway. Global warming has been going for too long now and it can't be reversed. Sure it can get better, but I don't think any of us will be around in the next millenium to witness the results.

Lets clean up New Orleans first, then we can move on and worry about more recent events. I think it's only fair to the Delta region residents because to this day there's still no power, water, shelter and school in communities down there.

Can't we just impeach this president and start fresh? Cheney has more power than the President himself. I'm suprised he gets so many heart attacks, I never would've guessed he had a heart.

And now that Halliburton is moving its HQ to Dubai, there go even more US jobs. The vice president is shipping our jobs overseas personally.

Thank god for the Cleveland Clinic. I just heard from a close source that they'll need 400-600 new nurses for the new building that's already being built.
"if they hire every nursing graduate in the area they still won't have enough nurses to meet their needs."

that's a ton of jobs. right here.

Yes we have to clean up New Orleans but in the meantime there are homeless in Arkansas. Why can't we take care of our own better than this?

You are right Ivor, they are shipping jobs overseas, allowing predatory lenders for years to rape the country, and now credit card companies are doing the same, with no legislation.

As for global warming, our kids, kids, kids will care!!!! I still can't believe there are people who throw away milk jugs and other plastic!! And who just don't care about the environment at all. None of it makes sense.

To make an interjection, apparantly there are conflicts as to the cause and continuance of global warming.
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/env/2003/pd121003b.html

This is just one of many sites I googled up. Now, the question is, who do we believe, and will it matter if we believe either way. Will we, as inhabitants of planet earth do anything about it, or can we? Food for thought.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

I don't know if you saw Gore's film or not, but he has proof of memo's from the Republican party stating they want to create doubt, etc. This makes sense, as the the car makers are some of the biggest lobbyists.

I have a question for the historians, when Gore was galliantly going to congress in the 1970's with all this information, imploring them to do something, does anyone know where Bush was during that time and what he was doing? It is what it is. The right side gets its money for Christian groups so they "care" about abortion issues, about saving lives. But what about the lives of the future generations. Don't those lives count as much in God's eyes? If the hottest ten years were in the last fifteen years, how can it be a hoax?

How come the other counties use less oil and produce better efficient vehicles? Is that disputable?

And what about those poor polar bears who have no ice glacier to sit on so they don't drown??

We would get more people caring about the environment if they knew how many animals are effected, since some care more about animals than humans! (No judgment there, my dog never yells at me.)

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when Gore was galliantly going to congress in the 1970's with all this information, imploring them to do something, does anyone know where Bush was during that time and what he was doing?
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I dont' know what Bush Jr. was doing during that time, but I believe Bush Sr. was CIA director and was actually ANTI-life at the time. I believe he was anti-life when running against Reagan in the primaries in 1980 but changed his tune when Reagan offered him the running mate position.

Gore was actually pro-life as far as federal funding but shifted to anti-life, according to this article. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007 ... shtml?s=ic

It also states that Reagan was anti-life in 1967.

Now more on topic, Justine you mentioned the natural disasters caused by global warming. Global warming was blaimed for the many hurricanes two years ago and it was predicted there would be an incredible amount the following year. Guess what, last year we had the least amount of hurricane damage in many many years! In the 1970s, all the environmentalists were predicting global cooling.

I actually hope global warming is true because I heard the Great Lakes area will then turn into paradise.

Doug

I have to say I found the documentary fascinating, disturbing, and really hard to argue with. It seemed all factual, as opposed to fictional, like, um nuclear weapons. Everything could be back up with data! There are droughts and lakes drying up for good, AND more deaths from hotter weather. I still think every little think everyone can do makes a difference.

God has provided us with enough beautiful resources and it is our job to keep them beautiful, not to use and waste beyond greedy consumption. The cars could have been more efficient years ago here, but they were paying off politicians. It is time for the country's best interests, not the politicians.

DougHuntingdon wrote:Now more on topic, Justine you mentioned the natural disasters caused by global warming. Global warming was blamed for the many hurricanes two years ago and it was predicted there would be an incredible amount the following year. Guess what, last year we had the least amount of hurricane damage in many many years! In the 1970s, all the environmentalists were predicting global cooling.

I actually hope global warming is true because I heard the Great Lakes area will then turn into paradise.

Doug

Doug


The weather does not run on a straight line, there are high and lows. This is why data from one year makes no sense. It would be like talking about the weather of America based on one city.

One of the by products of global warming is more extremes in weather, this in the end is what will cause the extreme storms. 5 degree cooler air hitting 5 degree warmer air.

In 1990 I had the pleasure(?) of seeing two scientists explain the end of the world as we know it. It was a fascinating story and every thing they had mentioned has come true almost to the year. Now the key term is the "end of the world as we know it." Strangely, Lakewood is perfect situated for this scenario. Much of it covered in An Inconvenient Truth as well.

Quick version, I do have it on tape. Global warming allows ice to melt, ice reflects UV rays, blue water and brown rock absorb, this speeds up the process. Water floods out major population areas. Not overnight, no Hollywood moment, but property is destroyed and millions need to move. The storms get more violent, again property destroyed insurance company is overburdened. Finally the temperature shift, where we get Florida's weather. When the weather shifts so do tropical animals and disease. African trypanosomiasis, Dengue fever, Leishmaniasis, Malaria, Schistosomiasis, Tuberculosis, Chagas disease, Lymphatic filariasis, Onchocerciasis, Oropouche virus, Lobomycosis, West Nile disease, Lábrea fever, Rocio disease, Mapucho hemorrhagic fever, Trachoma, Guinea worm, Chikungunya. You know the really nasty stuff.

Then we get the tropical animals as well.

All of this causes the insurance industry to collapse, and "insurance" disappears with the exception of maybe the largest companies that can self insure.

So the end of the world they fore-casted in 1990, is right on target of their date of 2014 - 2016. Last year was another record pay-off for the insurance industry. And storms are generally get worse around the world.

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Don't worry Justine, if the lakes all dry up, the liberals will still be able to cry us a river.

So your question is where was Bush in the 70's when Gore was "gallantly" going before congress? How about this, where was Bush while Gore gallantly did nothing as Vice President?

I'm not suggesting that Bush is great on the environment, but come on!

Watch whatever film you want, but the REAL "inconvenient truth" is that any guess as to whether the earth is cooling or warming is still just a theory, based only on computer models and scientific extrapolations. The Earth has gone through similar temperature cycles throughout its entire existence, and how much we affect or can possibly control that cycle is entirely speculative at best.

Do what you can? yes. Be environmentally responsible? absolutely. But let's not jump off the deep end.

Bret Callentine wrote:Don't worry Justine, if the lakes all dry up, the liberals will still be able to cry us a river.

Bret

I would love to turn you to another special called, "Bogus Science." This goes into the Bush administration paying scientists to counter act everything and anything from global warming, to oil in ANWAR, to clear cutting forests, to whatever.

Each scientist they could find, they spoke to indepth of knowledge and why they came out with their views. Most were unqualified, most did it for as little as $10,000 a crack. At the end of it they dip into the people that back the tobacco companies in saying Cigarettes were not dangerous.

Really pitiful stuff.

Dems crying a river might be the only clean water you get for a long time.

FWIW


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