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Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:15 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Patrick Wadden wrote:Yeah I wrote that. I own it. It was minutes after Cosmo wrote those things about me and my dad.

Jim O'Bryan then cleared things up after that explaining that you and Markling were not Cosmo.

I did not clear up there were not Cosmo Lamer as I have no idea who it is.

I said "Matt Markling and Brian Essi put their names on what they say and do, they don't hide behind fake names."

Wow, and they say the Deck is negative!!!! Damn Facebook is petty rough too.

No wonder they need to heavily edit Lakewood Community Page!

It hides the crazies.

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Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:49 am
by Gary Rice
Just one banjo player's opinion here, for what it might be worth...

I think the 1st Amendment is working just fine in Lakewood.

In fact, I think it's probably working overtime, and time and a half on weekends. :roll:

I think that people just tend to forget sometimes that freedom needs to be accompanied with responsibility. :roll:

Look, I learned my lesson about putting things in writing the hard way, back when I was a new school teacher. I sent a memo (being a special education teacher) to other teachers offering my help if any of the special needs students (that we shared) in their classrooms needed assistance.

Oh boy....Some teachers interpreted the memo as being an affront to their skills. Others thought that I needed to mind my own business and stay out of their classrooms! There were, in short, so many interpretations of my well-intended memo that it was scary.

I learned then and I am reminded again today that stuff put in writing lacks that third dimension of depth, immediate interaction capability, and insight. Written stuff can be misunderstood so much easier than the spoken word...and it can get out of hand so quickly... :shock:

I really believe that all of the above becomes much more exacerbated when personal interchanges transpire in a public forum. Whatever happened to a good old telephone call? Whatever happened to private communication? Why do we have to witness sparring matches online, and more to the point, why do we seem to WANT to witness that sort of thing? :shock:

Does all of this just tap into the psychology of people wanting to watch sporting matches, or even those horrible spectacles in the ring in ancient times? :shock:

People SAY that they cherish their free speech and right to privacy, and yet, when we freely decide to post in a public forum, guess what? We are no longer private people. :shock:

We instead become micro-celebrities on a mini-stage for the world to either cheer or jeer on at its pleasure. :shock:

We all learned as children that the reason we have two ears and one mouth is that we should listen twice as hard before we speak. We learned too that the pen was mightier than the sword. How all of that good advice needs to apply to the internet should be self-evident. :wink:

I too was not pleased to read all of that stuff during my Easter weekend. It's not that I want to lay blame with anyone, but you just have to wonder whether these sorts of discussions would not have been better handled directly between the individuals involved, rather than in a public forum?

Perhaps there is a lesson for all of us here, or not? :roll:

Now, where was my detention pad? :lol:

Back to the banjo... :wink:

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:15 am
by Michael Deneen
Gary Rice wrote:I too was not pleased to read all of that stuff during my Easter weekend. It's not that I want to lay blame with anyone, but you just have to wonder whether these sorts of discussions would not have been better handled directly between the individuals involved, rather than in a public forum?
Unfortunately members of "Team Summers" will say and do contradictory things in individual meetings. For example, Summers was being honest when he told Essi that he didn't want "those people from across W. 117th" coming into Lakewood to use the hospital. Naturally, he won't repeat or admit publicly that he said that.
I've had numerous sordid TS members lie directly to my face.....they change their stories in order to suit whichever person they speak to.

Public forums like this are essential to exposing corruption in our community....that's why Team Summers considers the Deck to be dangerous.

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:43 pm
by J Hrlec
Patrick Wadden wrote:Let's not gloss over the fact that she can post anything she wants no matter how crazy or full of bulllshit. And the person or business that she posts about is required to come to the Observation Deck and be a breath of fresh air and clear their name. That's bullshit and it's arrogant on the part of the Deck. Please tell me you see the flaw in this model.
I'm not sure why the business or person slandered would have to come here?

Why would they need to clear their name here. you assuming many Lakewood residents take this forum seriously in the first place if they know about it.

Yes, there's a lot of crazy Bat S*it here.

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:50 am
by Amy Martin
I'm having a hard time following this thread - has someone been banned from the Deck?

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:59 am
by mjkuhns
Amy Martin wrote:I'm having a hard time following this thread -
It's not just you.
Amy Martin wrote:has someone been banned from the Deck?
Yes, but not recently, so far as I know.

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:42 am
by Kate McCarthy
Amy Martin wrote:I'm having a hard time following this thread - has someone been banned from the Deck?
It connects back to the pothole thread. It is hard to follow.

Re: Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:16 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Kate McCarthy wrote:
Amy Martin wrote:I'm having a hard time following this thread - has someone been banned from the Deck?
It connects back to the pothole thread. It is hard to follow.
As the poster mentioned, "crazy Bat S*it here."

Another perfect example of it.

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