Emergency Room Visit is $1,339.00
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Robert Bobik
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How long does it take to get to East 22nd at 7:45 in the morning, Monday through Friday? In the snow? It's a little longer than 10 minutes. So, time your incidents accordingly.
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Lori Allen _
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I will take my chances at another hospital with a REAL ER.
The Lakewood Band-Aid Clinic will not save you when you are having a major crisis.
The Band-Aid Clinic claims that they can help those with mental illness. I believe it was about a year ago when the Band-Aid Clinic allegedly kicked a gentleman out who was in the middle of a mental crisis.
He committed suicide the next day.
Council and Summers, how would you feel if this happened to one of your family members?
The Lakewood Band-Aid Clinic will not save you when you are having a major crisis.
The Band-Aid Clinic claims that they can help those with mental illness. I believe it was about a year ago when the Band-Aid Clinic allegedly kicked a gentleman out who was in the middle of a mental crisis.
He committed suicide the next day.
Council and Summers, how would you feel if this happened to one of your family members?
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dl meckes
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I would vote for Bill Call. Honest, thoughtful, intelligent. He believes in the sunshine laws. Bill Call would be a giant PITA to most of the sitting pols.
“One of they key problems today is that politics is such a disgrace. Good people don’t go into government.”- 45
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Bridget Conant
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dl meckes wrote:I would vote for Bill Call. Honest, thoughtful, intelligent. He believes in the sunshine laws. Bill Call would be a giant PITA to most of the sitting pols.
So would I and a lot of others.
I believe Mr Call has offered to serve on a board before and was ignored by the PTB. Try as they might, they can only influence, they cannot control an election.
Think about it Bill Call!
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Lori Allen _
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I would vote for Bill Call.
Bill, you don't have a co-worker/associate that sat on the LHF Board of Trustees, do you? See http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23817
You don't have a special relationship with James W. Kemp Jr. or any other employees from Huron Consulting, do you? See:
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... mp#p164472
If you pass both of these tests, it would appear that you have better knowledge of basic ethics than at least two of our sitting council members.
Bill, you don't have a co-worker/associate that sat on the LHF Board of Trustees, do you? See http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23817
You don't have a special relationship with James W. Kemp Jr. or any other employees from Huron Consulting, do you? See:
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... mp#p164472
If you pass both of these tests, it would appear that you have better knowledge of basic ethics than at least two of our sitting council members.
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Lori Allen _
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Re: Emergency Room Visit is $1,339.00
I would vote for Bill Call.
Bill, you don't have a co-worker/associate that sat on the LHF Board of Trustees, do you? See http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23817
You don't have a special relationship with James W. Kemp Jr. or any other employees from Huron Consulting, do you? See:
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... mp#p164472
If you pass both of these tests, it would appear that you have better knowledge of basic ethics than at least two of our sitting council members.
Bill, you don't have a co-worker/associate that sat on the LHF Board of Trustees, do you? See http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23817
You don't have a special relationship with James W. Kemp Jr. or any other employees from Huron Consulting, do you? See:
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... mp#p164472
If you pass both of these tests, it would appear that you have better knowledge of basic ethics than at least two of our sitting council members.
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Stan Austin
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I think Bill Call has been unique in the last several years in presenting, with facts (data type stuff) uncomfortable realities to the public forum.
He has, and could continue to be a PINA!
Stan Austin
He has, and could continue to be a PINA!
Stan Austin
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Stan Austin
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Woops-- PITA
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ryan costa
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they don't actually know why the bills are so high, just that a computer tells them that.
the insurance companies' jobs are to access different menu options on the computer.
http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books ... 812986686/
the insurance companies' jobs are to access different menu options on the computer.
http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books ... 812986686/
"Is this flummery” — Archie Goodwin
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tom monahan
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Robert:
A lot of variables go into reaching any hospital at any time of the day and in any weather condition. We have reached Charity Hospital under a number of circumstances, and the longest it took us was about 18 minutes. The shortest was about six minutes at 2;30 am. Of course I exceeded the speed limit by many times, but it was a family emergency.
Looking back on that, it was a harrowing trip, but there was no traffic on the road but us.
I have heard tales of 20 to 30 minutes to get to Fairview, Lutheran, Metro and St. John's during peak driving times. So, it does depend on many factors. But in all cases, you get to a full-service hospital to help you with your problem.
Now that I have reached the age of reasonable adulthood, I have adjusted my driving pattern.
A lot of variables go into reaching any hospital at any time of the day and in any weather condition. We have reached Charity Hospital under a number of circumstances, and the longest it took us was about 18 minutes. The shortest was about six minutes at 2;30 am. Of course I exceeded the speed limit by many times, but it was a family emergency.
Looking back on that, it was a harrowing trip, but there was no traffic on the road but us.
I have heard tales of 20 to 30 minutes to get to Fairview, Lutheran, Metro and St. John's during peak driving times. So, it does depend on many factors. But in all cases, you get to a full-service hospital to help you with your problem.
Now that I have reached the age of reasonable adulthood, I have adjusted my driving pattern.
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Dan Alaimo
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Imagine, or re-imagine, both Bill Call and Brian Essi running for council. What an opportunity to spread the truth.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste." - Winston Churchill (Quote later appropriated by Rahm Emanuel)
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Bill Call
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Stan Austin wrote:It just occurred to me--- I think it's time for someone--- Mayor? Finance Director? Law Director? Council Member? to recap up to today's filling in of the hole which was once a parking garage and office building.
Specifically, who owned which building, why was it determined to demolish those buildings, who is paying for the demolition, and--to what end?
Stan Austin
Thanks for the vote of confidence but my political career is over.
When I applied for a position on the LHA Board I made it quite clear that:
1. The Cleveland Clinic intended to abandon its lease in 2026 and leave Lakewood Hospital as an outdated and bankrupt facility without any customers.
2. And that it was the duty of the Board to take immediate action to guarantee that Lakewood Hospital would continue as an ongoing concern even if that meant booting out the Clinic.
Shortly after the interview someone told me that the Mayor agreed with my assessement. I thought that meant that the Mayor would fight for the Hospital. It turns out that he decided to accelerate the process.
We ended up with a very bad deal.
Parking is an interesting aspect of that very bad deal.
The bullet point version:
• The LHA held all of the assets of the Hospital until the end of the lease term. At the end of the lease term the LHA was required to returns all the assets to the City. That included cash, investments, receivables, land, buildings, beds and any asset of any kind INCLUDING the City’s beneficial interest in the Lakewood Hospital Foundation.
• The important part is that all of the assets of the LHA belonged to the City.
• The LHA (City of Lakewood) is responsible for wind downs costs.
• The City is responsible for paying for the new parking facilities.
From the Master agreement: "6.2, demolition, abatement and relocation expenses related to the FHC Site,employee severance and retention costs, insurance costs as described in Section 9.12, a $2,500,000 allocation for funding a parking solution for the FHC consistent with Section 2."
Also from the Master agreement: " 2.2 Parking. On-site, adjacent and proximate parking is critical to the success of the
FHC. The Clinic contemplates the FHC will need the support of 325 parking spaces, which
spaces will be obtained as set forth below.
(a) The Clinic contemplates constructing a parking structure on the FHC Site
that will accommodate approximately 120 parking spots. The parties agree that the Wind-Down
Costs (as defined in Section 3.3(b)) shall include $2.5 million to fund the construction of such..."
So, the City pays $1,000,000 to demolish a perfectly good parking garage,
The City pays $2,500,000 to build a new parking lot.
The City guarantees 325 new parking spaces adjacent to the new Clinic facility.
Bad deal?
The Master agreement:
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Stan Austin
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Wow!!!!!! Is there such a thing as REVERSE bargaining?
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john crino
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yep. $1044.00 just to walk in the door and have the initial chat prior to any treatment
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Stan Austin
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Sounds like a clear cut case for the Law Director to investigate fraud. Who's side you on Keven?