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You wrote that $6.4, $1.4 and $1.6 equals $9.6 but that you included $7.0 for demo/transition and fail to include the frontloaded increases in lease payments.
The doubling down on a blatantly false headline and story is confounding to me. Retract it, correct it and let's move on.
Michael Deneen wrote:Mr. Anderson:
While you're here, I still have some questions for you on the "Cindy Marx" thread.
They are opinion questions, so they won't take much time.
Way to avoid the obvious and deflect.
I am trying to be fair to Mr. Anderson...he may not have seen the questions on the other thread.
The Deck has been busy and that thread has been pushed down the queue.
Before I judge his lack of response, I want to make sure that he's seen it.
While most of us are not financial experts, we understand that if we transfer money from our savings account to our checking account, we’ve gained nothing; that if we give something away, it no longer belongs to us and we are no longer in control of it; and if we invest wisely we will benefit from the returns over time.
Taking these concepts into consideration, it would be helpful to have a simple equation showing the city’s actual net gain or loss due to the Master Agreement.
“There could be anywhere from 1 to over 50,000 Lakewoods at any time. I’m good with any of those numbers, as long as it’s just not 2 Lakewoods.” -Stephen Davis
David Anderson wrote:It's 7:24 a.m. on Thursday, October 13 and, let me check, yes, the City still owns the hospital building and the 5.7 acres under it.
The problem is that Lakewood voters starting casting ballots yesterday and the headline "...Cleveland Clinic paid $9.6 Million ... For Lakewood Hospital" is live, active and has yet to be retracted or corrected by its author.
Supporting documents? Try the Dec. 21, 2015 Master Agreement, which put in place the contracts for the City to be paid in the ways I detailed. You, Mr. Essi, fail to include the $6.5M contracted to come to the City in 2018 or the increase in annual lease payments. (You aren't refuting the fact that the City is receiving more in lease payments under this executed deal than it would have under the recently terminated lease, are you?)
Again, the headline and corresponding article needs to be replaced by anything, maybe the weather forecast. I don't know.
I don't recall hearing anything from you last year when this was published by our former mayor and current law director. Talk about a misleading headline.
Brian,
Is the 7million in demolition fees that we the tax payers paid, to be used to demolish the south medical building? If so, why is the city proceeding with the demolition before the vote on November 8th? If so, isn't this a waste of tax payer's money? If the SLH side wins, and the building is gone, will they just leave it? Maybe Summers and Extended Company could sell it for pennies on the dollar to one of their buddies. Do Summers and Extended Company know something about the vote that we don't? It appears that after looking through public records, we could be dealing with alleged voter fraud from our last election. I will be posting on this next week.
Lori Allen _ wrote:Brian,
Is the 7million in demolition fees that we the tax payers paid, to be used to demolish the south medical building? If so, why is the city proceeding with the demolition before the vote on November 8th? If so, isn't this a waste of tax payer's money? If the SLH side wins, and the building is gone, will they just leave it? Maybe Summers and Extended Company could sell it for pennies on the dollar to one of their buddies. Do Summers and Extended Company know something about the vote that we don't? It appears that after looking through public records, we could be dealing with alleged voter fraud from our last election. I will be posting on this next week.
Because they want to be sure to break sh*t before the election. VOTE AGAINST 64.
c majer,
I agree. I'm sure that Liberty Development or Zaremba would be interested in buying the property for pennies on the dollar. Or, as it appears to be in other cases, maybe Summers and council will just give it to them!
Mr. Anderson, show us the money! Where is it? Where did it go or who did it go to!
Mr. Butler, Hand over the PUBLIC records that you are holding hostage? Why do you appear to be hiding them? What is it that Summers and extended Company don't want the tax paying citizens of Lakewood to see?
We are already losing the $288 million A YEAR in spending by 1100 hospital employees whose pay averaged $59,000/year.
AND the $1 million/year income tax on their wages.
Some of them didn't live in Lakewood - which means WE GOT A GOODIE. THEIR income taxes paid for OUR rubbish pickup and street maintenance.
THEY are no longer buying lunch at the restaurants in Lakewood, or stopping in at local restaurants for breakfast after their night shift.
NOT ONE OF THEM IN COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGEMENT IS A NUMBERS PERSON. NOT ONE OF THEM COULD HAVE COMPUTED THIS. THE CLEVELAND CLINIC CORROBORATED THIS PUBLICLY.
The Professional Office Building and garage are being knocked down because there are contracts in place for the Clinic to build a state of the art 21st Century Family Health Center and fully functioning and accredited ER along with a new parking garage.
Ms. Harkness -
I do not know what economist developed the economic impact number you provide, but, I agree that Lakewood's overall economic multiplier will be negatively impacted. However, the city is not a company town and we have a balance in revenue streams and the payroll tax impact has already been made up in other areas. But, we anticipate somewhere north of 200 jobs are coming back and the development of the 5.7 acres will add to sustainability.
Council anticipates passing a structurally balanced budget again this year for about the eighth year in a row. The 2017 budget hearings will start soon. I can't remember ever having more than one or two residents attend these hearings but I hope you can attend some of these and perhaps add your perspectives.
The LHA September of 2015 financial statements were provided to you which shows a book value of the hospital building and land at $20.0 M. This remains in City/taxpayer possession and was not sold as your headline claimed. In addition, the city is receiving lease payments from the Clinic for the continued use of a portion of the building for the ER.
How is it possible to sell something yet still,own it and collect rent?
David Anderson wrote:It's 7:24 a.m. on Thursday, October 13 and, let me check, yes, the City still owns the hospital building and the 5.7 acres under it.
The problem is that Lakewood voters starting casting ballots yesterday and the headline "...Cleveland Clinic paid $9.6 Million ... For Lakewood Hospital" is live, active and has yet to be retracted or corrected by its author.
Supporting documents? Try the Dec. 21, 2015 Master Agreement, which put in place the contracts for the City to be paid in the ways I detailed. You, Mr. Essi, fail to include the $6.5M contracted to come to the City in 2018 or the increase in annual lease payments. (You aren't refuting the fact that the City is receiving more in lease payments under this executed deal than it would have under the recently terminated lease, are you?)
Again, the headline and corresponding article needs to be replaced by anything, maybe the weather forecast. I don't know.
I don't recall hearing anything from you last year when this was published by our former mayor and current law director. Talk about a misleading headline.
What Kate said.
No one speaks out against blatant nasty politicking like the Dem Club purge or the fake newspaper funded by disgraced former pol Ed Fitzgerald.
Your silence is assent.
Lakewood's political machinations are no different than what went on in Cuyahoga County - and people went to jail for it.
How many service lines were gone long before this Council became involved? You want to blame me and Council for service lines that left Lakewood Hospital years ago well go ahead. It's frustrating. I was frustrated too. Council's legal team and industry expert determined that there were no enforceable operating covenants that the Clinic had to perform in the previous Definitive Agreement. (There were service lines identified for LHA - Section 1.1.1.9.)
The reality is that the LHA believed it would be bankrupt by 2020. Huron reported this date would be closer to 2022. Regardless, the lease and agreement extended to 2026. Little doubt remains that the day after the lease expired there would be no hospital or ER.
The Family Health Center and fully accredited ER will be able to do all or more than the former hospital did except admit you overnight. (Again, though, two out of every three beds at Lakewood Hospital were empty every night leading up to 2015.). However, any FHC patient that needs a bed will have preferential patient status at Fairview which guarantees a bed.
Council came to the determination that the market in which Lakewood Hospital was competing and the conditions under which it was operating led to the conclusion that LHA would be bankrupt no later than 2020 and would be closed altogether no later than 2026.