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Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:06 pm
by cmager
Wait, are you telling me that Mr. Rossen turned down SLH for a paid table for his $100 picnic? Conflicted too much with his CCF masters? That's rich. That's really rich.

Remember, don't let Mr. Rossen (or others on his team) distract you from the important work of getting out the message and the vote. VOTE AGAINST 64.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:26 pm
by Bridget Conant
Corey Rossen wrote:
People should be aware that you are not an accountant and that your accounting practices, understanding, and interpretations have fallen suspect to those in the know.
tom monahan wrote:Corey:

Could those people be Butler, Carson, O'Leary, Pae? Just saying...

BTW, since Corey is alleging that Essi isn't a REAL accountant, and that "those in the know" know better, why doesn't he ask if Jenn Pae is a "real accountant?"

Do a Google search of area city finance directors. Virtually every one is a CPA - a Certified Public Accountant.

Then look at postings for finance director jobs and what education they require. They prefer a CPA, but will expect at least a bachelors in accounting or a related field.

So what finance background does the City of Lakewood's finance director have? Is she a CPA?

NO.

What is her undergrad degree in?

Accounting? NO
Finance? NO
Economics? NO
Business? NO
Mathematics? NO

Her degree is in Cultural Anthropology!

Ms Pae did obtain an MPA from CSU with a specialization in Economic Development. That program requires 42-44 credit hours, or about 10 classes, and most of those are not related to finance issues. See here:
https://www.csuohio.edu/urban/mpa/maste ... nistration


So if you want to be a stickler and insist that only accountants can understand and analyze numbers, then be consistent.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:54 am
by Corey Rossen
cmager wrote:Wait, are you telling me that Mr. Rossen turned down SLH for a paid table for his $100 picnic? Conflicted too much with his CCF masters? That's rich. That's really rich.

Remember, don't let Mr. Rossen (or others on his team) distract you from the important work of getting out the message and the vote. VOTE AGAINST 64.
Why are you still allowed to post on here? The admins and founders know that you are illegal on here - why have they not acted?

Sleeping with the Deck? Must be.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:32 am
by Corey Rossen
cmager wrote:Wait, are you telling me that Mr. Rossen turned down SLH for a paid table for his $100 picnic? Conflicted too much with his CCF masters? That's rich. That's really rich.

Remember, don't let Mr. Rossen (or others on his team) distract you from the important work of getting out the message and the vote. VOTE AGAINST 64.
I don't understand why Save Lakewood Hospital keeps bringing this up - the more you look into it the worse Save Lakewood Hospital will look.

For example:

Here is a snippet of how one of my two telephone conversations with Save Lakewood Hospital went while discussing whether Save Lakewood Hospital should be allowed to be represented at the event...

Save Lakewood Hospital: "Those idiots at Jordan's Family Foundation don't know me from my organization, they only know the organization. I will just submit as myself, they can't refuse me then."
Me: "Okay, let me know how that goes for you."

(A personal registration was never submitted.)

That about nailed the coffin shut in JFF's decision making process.

In the same telephone conversation, Save Lakewood Hospital accused Lori Allen of making the phone calls to our charity's sponsors because, according to Save Lakewood Hospital, Lori Allen is "crazy" (Save Lakewood Hospital's word, not mine) and that sounds like something Lori Allen would do.

Keep in mind that JFF has to determine each year whether organizations fit the event or not. Take for example our hardest decision to date, until all the facts were laid out. Early in the event's history a beverage company came to us and offered $2000 (four times the highest sponsor amount and well above this year's Save Lakewood Hospital's registration amount) to participate in the event. JFF told them that they were not a fit for a children's heart-healthy event unless they could show some info about the company (the beverage was new at the time). They came back and offered $2000 plus they will give a logo (their own logo) patio umbrella to each organization to keep them in the shade at our event (rough value $1500). Again JFF told them no, unless they provided more info. Then JFF called several nutrition centers and children's hospitals to ask if the product was safe or beneficial for kids. All responses came back as "no, it is not safe for kids." It turns out that the beverage was closer to being considered an energy drink that anything else. Easy decision, they were out. It would have been great to have the money but it would not have been the right decision. JFF could not be "bought." That is true again in this case, but it was only for $100. Once the conversations were had, JFF could not be "bought."

When speaking with other non-profits and health professionals they have always admired decisions JFF has made. They agreed with our decision this time as well.

It was a shame for our event that both organizations could not be represented, but in the end Save Lakewood Hospital made it easy for JFF to decide.

Save Lakewood Hospital insults me, calls me names, Save Lakewood Hospital insults the charity, call the charity names and continue to do so and wonder why Save Lakewood Hospital was not able to be represented at our event. Save Lakewood Hospital is still welcome to contribute and donate as Jordan's Family Foundation continues to make strides in the fight against heart disease.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:34 pm
by Brian Essi
Everything that is part of this original post was submitted to Mayor Summer, Kevin Butler, Jenn Pae and every member of City Council who voter for the Master Agreement (excluding Mr. O'Malley who was against it in his campaign).

Not one of them has countered by knocking down one fact that I presented.

The headline of this post is true and remains unchallenged:

Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:46 pm
by Marguerite Harkness
In addition, we lose almost $300 MILLION of ANNUAL economic activity in Lakewood. This number was corroborated by the Cleveland Clinic ($288 million) in their public announcement the day after SLH announced our computation ($396 million). $288 to $296. Close enough, I'll go along with their numbers.

Has anybody noticed: Even the Mayor's Campaign Treasurer has had no comment AT ALL about this. Either he doesn't know how to compute such a factor, or he knows it is true but is keeping his mouth shut to save embarrassing himself.

You may be SURE that the Lakewood Hospital employees who were transferred to Avon or Strongsville, are not buying their lunches at restaurants on Warren and Detroit.

NOBODY AT CITY HALL HAS KNOWLEDGEABLY REFUTED THIS NUMBER.

Even little Beck Center contributes $10 million annually to Lakewood's economy, so Cindy Einhouse says.

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:19 pm
by Lori Allen _
Marguerite,

My neighbor works for the Mayor's accountants. They are ALWAYS home, until about six weeks ago. Now, gone every night. I suspect there is a lot of paper shredding going on there. I also have noticed some city hall employees working late into the night. Possibly paper shredding? If only Mr. Butler was as efficient on records request as the rest of city hall appears to be getting rid of "evidence".

This hospital deal was never about what was best for the citizens of Lakewood. It appears to be all about power and greed. If I were a city hall employee, I would be calling the Federal Bureau of Investigation now and start singing!

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:48 pm
by cmager
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Re: Word of the Day

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:51 pm
by Corey Rossen
cmager wrote:
Corey Rossen wrote:
cmager wrote:Wait, are you telling me that Mr. Rossen turned down SLH for a paid table for his $100 picnic? Conflicted too much with his CCF masters? That's rich. That's really rich. Remember, don't let Mr. Rossen (or others on his team) distract you from the important work of getting out the message and the vote. VOTE AGAINST 64.
Save Lakewood Hospital insults me, calls me names, Save Lakewood Hospital insults the charity, call the charity names and continue to do so and wonder why Save Lakewood Hospital was not able to be represented at our event. Save Lakewood Hospital is still welcome to contribute and donate as Jordan's Family Foundation continues to make strides in the fight against heart disease.
Mr. Rossen, I don't recall seeing a single instance of "Save Lakewood Hospital" insulting you or your alleged charity. Do tell.

New word of the day:
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VERB
* walk with long, decisive steps in a specified direction:
NOUN
* a long, decisive step:
* a step or stage in progress toward an aim:
* denoting or relating to a rhythmic style of jazz piano playing in which the left hand alternately plays single bass notes on the downbeat and chords an octave higher on the upbeat:
Why are you still allowed to post on here? Who runs this place? Is this really Jim O'Bryan with a pen name of Cmger?

Re: Issue 64 is a BAD DEAL--The Master Agreement Costs Taxpayers Nearly $400 Million

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:54 pm
by Dan Alaimo
The White Lightning forum version of this Bad Government post is up now:

CCF Pays $9.6M for Hospital, Skirts $278M in Liabilities; Deal Costs Taxpayers $400M
http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/forum/v ... 54&t=23428