The Observation Deck

Jim O'Bryan wrote:

scott gilman wrote:Carabel to Edgecliff to Rocky River Drive or Bunts to Triskett to Lorain all work well for us.
In terms of Metro transports what I said was that on average it takes 8 minutes longer to get to Metro then it does to get to Lakewood. JOB has posted the times that it took him to make that drive more than once

Scott

Thanks for jumping in.

The entire county is torn up. Like they were waiting until after the RNC so the millions and millions would not be hampered.

Going out to Parma, One must go Highland Ave. to W117, to Tiediman, to State, or Metro Parks to Snow. Every other north south road is torn up, detoured or closed.

I posted in a thread called Hospital the Truth, one of the first posts. Times to all hospitals from Warren Road, north of Detroit, was under 15 minutes. St. John's was the longest at 14, Avon was 12, Metro was 8, Fairview was 4, if I remember correctly.

In the old days they would rush to the hospital to stabilize, now they stabilize in the ambulance, forward vitals, and wheel you in.

FWIW

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Not sure I agree with some of these times. Warren and Detroit to Fairview in four minutes? It must be at least seven minutes from Ogontz & Riverside (possibly the south westernmost point in Lakewood) to Fairview. No way you can get from Warren & Detroit to Fairview in four minutes, unless you have a futuristic flying car.

I have relatives that live off of Center Ridge by St. John. It takes me close to twenty-five minutes to get to their houses.

Before I got smart and changed my doctor, it took me 20 minutes to get to the Richard E. Jacobs Center. Twelve minutes is a stretch.

It takes me fifteen minutes to get to Metro, approximately.

There are numerous factors that come into account: traffic, weather, construction, etc. All of these slow down emergency vehicles too, not just us ordinary folks.

Not saying anyone is lying, but these times seem like quite a stretch. Someone may want to re-evaluate their calculations.

I heard that one person died in the ambulance when they were trying to get to St. John's. From what I've been told, there have been other cases with the same outcome. Very sad. Until these people's families no longer feel intimidated and are willing to speak up, apparently not much can be done. My personal, non-legal advice would be to not go to Lakewood's Urgent Care. If you do go there and feel you have had delayed treatment, etc., I suggest you seek legal advice.

According to Google maps, these are the drive times, with no traffic, from Warren and Detroit to the following facilities:

Lakewood – 4 minutes
Fairview – 10 minutes
Lutheran – 12 minutes
Metro – 15 minutes
CCF Avon – 17 minutes
St John’s Medical Center – 18 minutes

I'm at the very west end of Lakewood. Google says I should reach the Avon facility in 14 minutes. If I had to get down Detroit from Warren it would add 3-4 minutes depending on the time of day.

All of these scenarios, though, are "best case." They assume no traffic, construction, or stops. If an ambulance uses the siren, I suppose that overcomes some of these obstacles.

One must keep in mind that if the staff at Lakewood Urgi-Care does not know where to send you or when to send you, I guess time wouldn't really matter. You would probably be dead!

I agree, 100% with all of you, why are we, the tax paying citizens have to be "put out" cause of incompetence and poor planning, ... A simple 15 minute ride took an hour, why? we need a grass roots organization to bring these issues up front and in your face. I'm old, I don't have much time left, lets get this done..

I can tell you what "not to do", I felt ill, I couldn't stand, no strength, I called a cab? TAKE ME LAKEWOOD HOSPITAL, EMERGENCY, the driver wanted the fare up front, in case something happened to me, I must have really looked bad, I tried to avoid the cost of an Ambulance, a cab, $10.00 bucks, then Lakewood said, "we have to transport you to Fairview, in an Ambulance, the cost, $2,010.

The only road that leads to a hospital in Lakewood in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...that will bring accountability, compensation and Justice for those who destroyed the easy ride to the hospital 1 mile or less from our homes.

The heads of pins are "not roads to a hospital".

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2012/03/one ... -2020.html

Just someone's opinion via blog.

Someone should blog Kevin Pho MD to get his "opinion" if he thinks Lakewood getting $20M for $150M in healthcare assets is a good deal.

Brian Essi wrote:The only road that leads to a hospital in Lakewood in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...that will bring accountability, compensation and Justice for those who destroyed the easy ride to the hospital 1 mile or less from our homes.

The heads of pins are "not roads to a hospital".

Brian, your article in this week's Observer issue was excellent - perhaps one of the finest explanations yet of the hospital issue.
Everyone should read it, especially anyone on the fence or in support of closing the hospital.
http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/0 ... nscover-up

That said...
You just hijacked a thread I started. The is about an actual problem with real roads leading to area hospitals.

And that said...
There are criticisms to be made:
* The City certainly knew about this construction well in advance and they could have made contingencies. At least publicize the routing Chief Gilman mentioned. Was it known before the rushed December vote? I'll bet it was.
* CCF closed the hospital much earlier than they originally planned. The City could have intervened and encouraged CCF to keep it open at least through the construction season.

CCF closed the hospital much earlier than they originally planned. The City could have intervened and encouraged CCF to keep it open at least through the construction season.

We were told repeatedly that the hospital would remain open until the Avon hospital opened in the fall of 2016. They used this as a means of persuading people that we'd have full hospital services until then.

We see how THAT promise was kept - as soon as the agreement was approved by council they hightailed it right out of town before anything could be filed to stop them.

They knew exactly what they were doing and so did our "leaders" who let it happen.

Now it's worse than ever - long ER waits, beds not available, and longer time and driving hassles due to the construction.

It didn't have to be this way.

Dan Alaimo wrote: And that said...There are criticisms to be made:
* The City certainly knew about this construction well in advance and they could have made contingencies. At least publicize the routing Chief Gilman mentioned. Was it known before the rushed December vote? I'll bet it was.
* CCF closed the hospital much earlier than they originally planned. The City could have intervened and encouraged CCF to keep it open at least through the construction season.

For the city to publicize best routes would require admitting that there is a weakness in the new, new redlined healthcare model. But at least Chief Gilman is now sensitized to the issue.

I'm not sure that I agree that the chief has been sensitized to the issue. I believe it says right in the city charter that the fire chief serves at the pleasure of the mayor, same as the finance director.

Is time really an issue? Let's look at the big picture. People are having very bad experiences at the Lakewood Urgent-Care. I was at Family Dollar today. One of the employees told me that their family member was taken to Lakewood Urgent Care by Lakewood EMS. A nurse came in and told them that they would have to be transported to Fairview. They were slapped with two ambulance bills and two ER bills.

Who is benefiting from this? Anyone? Is it another conspiracy theory?

Lori, that is what I just said, a $10.00 cab ride to Lakewood Hospital only to be billed over $2,000.00 for a ride in an ambulance to Fairview Hospital. 15 minutes, thank god there were no traffic problems.

Dan Alaimo wrote:

Brian Essi wrote:The only road that leads to a hospital in Lakewood in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...that will bring accountability, compensation and Justice for those who destroyed the easy ride to the hospital 1 mile or less from our homes.

The heads of pins are "not roads to a hospital".

Brian, your article in this week's Observer issue was excellent - perhaps one of the finest explanations yet of the hospital issue.
Everyone should read it, especially anyone on the fence or in support of closing the hospital.
http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/0 ... nscover-up

That said...
You just hijacked a thread I started. The is about an actual problem with real roads leading to area hospitals.

And that said...
There are criticisms to be made:
* The City certainly knew about this construction well in advance and they could have made contingencies. At least publicize the routing Chief Gilman mentioned. Was it known before the rushed December vote? I'll bet it was.
* CCF closed the hospital much earlier than they originally planned. The City could have intervened and encouraged CCF to keep it open at least through the construction season.

Dan,

I know directly from multiple reliable insiders on the deal.
So everyone should listen to this established fact:
The sole reason that they moved the hospital closing up to February was to manufacture a legal argument to defeat the referendum that they all knew was coming.

Given what this thread is about, that is just plain reckless evil on the part of Summers, Bullock, Butler and the other PAC of liars. They just don't care about people.