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Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:00 pm
by Matthew Lee
Matthew Lee wrote:Michael Deneen wrote:Matthew Lee wrote:Yes, it certainly had nothing to do with his almost non-existent appeal to minority groups, that his primary policies aren't necessarily economically sound or that he turned off much of America, in general, with his lecturing and cantekerous tone. Let's go ahead and blame superdelegates and the poor debate scheduling. That makes sense.
Only the most die-hard Hillary supporters would pretend that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was impartial.
Nope. That's not what I said at all. I never, ever said Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn't impartial. In fact, I never mentioned Debbie Wasserman Schultz at all. Please read my quote above again and tell me where I said that.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:08 pm
by Michael Deneen
Matthew Lee wrote:Matthew Lee wrote:Michael Deneen wrote:Matthew Lee wrote:Yes, it certainly had nothing to do with his almost non-existent appeal to minority groups, that his primary policies aren't necessarily economically sound or that he turned off much of America, in general, with his lecturing and cantekerous tone. Let's go ahead and blame superdelegates and the poor debate scheduling. That makes sense.
Only the most die-hard Hillary supporters would pretend that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was impartial.
Nope. That's not what I said at all. I never, ever said she Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn't impartial. In fact, I never mentioned Debbie Wasserman Schultz at all. Please read my quote above again and tell me where I said that.
By blaming Bernie for losing, you are implicitly absolving the DNC of any collusion or bias in HRC's favor.
Keep in mind....I'm not saying that Bernie would have won if DWS were fair....but I do believe that her bias is indicative of larger problems in the DNC culture (and the political establishment in general).
Folks are unhappy with the status quo....especially young people.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:19 pm
by cameron karslake
This is a good development. It's great that the storefront on Detroit has gained a political life of it's own and is self-sustaining. It says a lot about Lakewood that groups like this want to headquartered here. People are hungry for new ideas!
Meanwhile, so much for the "change" candidate heading out the door (cue bitching and moaning...). Hillary will be much the same unfortunately.
These people are incapable of change. I hope everyone realizes that by now.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:22 pm
by Matthew Lee
Michael Deneen wrote:
By blaming Bernie for losing, you are implicitly absolving the DNC of any collusion or bias in HRC's favor.
Keep in mind....I'm not saying that Bernie would have won if DWS were fair....but I do believe that her bias is indicative of larger problems in the DNC culture (and the political establishment in general).
Folks are unhappy with the status quo....especially young people.
Absence of a positive does not equal a negative. This is one of the great logical fallacies. Just because YOU think that my blaming Bernie implicitly absolves the DNC of collusion does NOT mean that I ever, ever said that or believe it.
I am absolutely NOT absolving the DNC of any collusion or bias. At all. Never said that and never implied that. Only you are the one that said that. Please do not put YOUR words in MY mouth.
What I DID say is that Bernie lost this all on his own. No matter what the DNC did, or did not do, he was doomed. He had absolutely minimal support from minorities and could not explain his economic policies beyond "we should do this". That is what doomed him.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:31 pm
by Michael Deneen
Matthew Lee wrote:Absence of a positive does not equal a negative. This is one of the great logical fallacies. Just because YOU think that my blaming Bernie implicitly absolves the DNC of collusion does NOT mean that I ever, ever said that or believe it.
I am absolutely NOT absolving the DNC of any collusion or bias. At all. Never said that and never implied that. Only you are the one that said that. Please do not put YOUR words in MY mouth.
What I DID say is that Bernie lost this all on his own. No matter what the DNC did, or did not do, he was doomed. He had absolutely minimal support from minorities and could not explain his economic policies beyond "we should do this". That is what doomed him.
Look at the original post....I never said the DNC is why Bernie lost.
I only pointed out that the DNC is biased (something that has been subsequently proven correct via leaked info).
I complained about the DNC, and you immediately shifted to a critique of Bernie's campaign.
I never mentioned Bernie's campaign, you did. So it sure looks like you wanted to deflect blame or responsibility from the DNC.
In any case, you do a fine job of filibustering...but the fact remains that many folks are unhappy with the status quo.
That's the point..people are unhappy and they are organizing.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:34 pm
by Matthew Lee
Michael Deneen wrote:Matthew Lee wrote:Absence of a positive does not equal a negative. This is one of the great logical fallacies. Just because YOU think that my blaming Bernie implicitly absolves the DNC of collusion does NOT mean that I ever, ever said that or believe it.
I am absolutely NOT absolving the DNC of any collusion or bias. At all. Never said that and never implied that. Only you are the one that said that. Please do not put YOUR words in MY mouth.
What I DID say is that Bernie lost this all on his own. No matter what the DNC did, or did not do, he was doomed. He had absolutely minimal support from minorities and could not explain his economic policies beyond "we should do this". That is what doomed him.
Look at the original post....I never said the DNC is why Bernie lost.
I only pointed out that the DNC is biased (something that has been subsequently proven correct via leaked info).
I complained about the DNC, and you immediately shifted to a critique of Bernie's campaign.
I never mentioned Bernie's campaign, you did. So it sure looks like you wanted to deflect blame or responsibility from the DNC.
In any case, you do a fine job of filibustering...but the fact remains that many folks are unhappy with the status quo.
That's the point..people are unhappy and they are organizing.
So when YOU brought up and blamed DWS before I ever brought her up (or the DNC), that is NOT you bringing up the DNC? Ok. Got it. Not worth debating. Fine, it is all everyone's fault except Bernie.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:42 pm
by Stan Austin
This is NOT the way to get constructive discussion started
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:28 pm
by Lori Allen _
Ryan is right on this one, Summers is a Democrat. You can look this up by going to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. I think that regardless of what party we affiliate ourselves with, we can all agree that Summers is a coward and a failure!
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:39 pm
by Kate McCarthy
Ryan Salo wrote:
That is not accurate - you can search the county board of elections for the last 10 years or call them for the last 26.
Can you put up a link to the county information? All I can find are current registrants. I've search on Summers elsewhere and also found he switched his registration just as he started running for council. Same with Kevin Butler. Republicans until they run for council then switch to Democrat. Though I think the problems in our city are certainly bipartisan.
Nevertheless, I applaud the creation of a progressive caucus.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:13 pm
by Kristine Pagsuyoin
Ryan Salo wrote:
That is not accurate - you can search the county board of elections for the last 10 years or call them for the last 26.
Ryan,
Bridget is correct. The BOE doesn't always have the most current records.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:21 pm
by Ryan Salo
The Boe is the source! Download the last 10 years on their site and call to confirm....
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:38 pm
by Ryan Salo
http://cuyahogaelectionaudits.com/downl ... /LAKWD.csv
Not sure how a 3rd party source would be more accurate than a primary source but even if he voted Republican 3 times in the last 26 years he still clearly isn't a lifelong Republican.
Let's just agree that he shouldn't be our mayor and we deserve much better.
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:25 am
by Brian Essi
What are the differences between Democrats, Republicans and the Summers Party?
True Republicans are a group of people who want to take money from one group of people and give it to another group of people based upon their belief that society as a whole will benefit.
True Democrats are a group of people who want to take money from one group of people to another group of people based upon their belief that society as a whole will benefit.
The Summers Party is a small group of people who take money from another larger group of people based upon the farce that it is for the "Greater Good", but it is really to benefit the Summers Party members and the ego of Summers. The problem with the Summers Party is that its leaders repeatedly conceal who will get the money they have taking from the "others" (e.g. in the case of the hospital money is was taken from the underserved who Summers refers to "those people" and we really don't know yet who will get it--the "crime" is not yet complete). Nevertheless, it is clear that the Summers Party does not want to take care of the needs of the needy, it is also clear that they take care of the need of the greedy--Why else would the party conceal who gets the money at the expense of the poor?
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:02 am
by Michael Deneen
The Caucus website is up, anyone who is interested can register online.
The best part: It's free!
http://www.cuycpc.org/member?recruiter_id=33837
Re: Major New Political Group Coming to Lakewood
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:10 pm
by Lori Allen _
Ryan is right. Summers is a democrat. That being said, when you are a coward and a failure, parties don't discriminate!
