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Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:59 pm
by kate e parker
once again, essi posts nonsense. anyone with a grasp of the English language knows that it did not go down like that. it matters not, however, since the most lawyery of lawyers has spoken with the added bonus of a mager-zombie reply.
essi, quit explaining yourself here. you're covered. the deck has your back. but of course, if you feel the need to explain yourself, then by all means carry on.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:36 pm
by cmager
Corey Rossen wrote:No one seems to mention that the Clouds Got in the Way thread drift was started by a Michael Deneen rant. Don't tell the Round Table it was created by one of their own. But they are quick to blame others so much so that they are now revising the Deck. Way to go, Deneen, you broke the Deck.
Except that it wasn't. Once again, facts matter, Mr. Rossen. The effort that you appear to put into lack of substance, vapidity, falsehoods, and obstruction is unreal. Perhaps a clerking job at Daddy's Wine House would burn off your bad energy. Maybe you'd make some friends.
That Mr. Rossen is falsely tarring Mr. Deneen seems indicative of Mr. Rossen's abuse of the Deck and those who constructively participate in and care for it.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:55 pm
by kate e parker
read the thread, mager. then read it again. i'd point out the obvious but you would just miss it because you are too busy swallowing....
whoops. my bad. I wouldn't want to be censored or post limited or whatever it is that the underserved are crying about these days.
let me try again...
dear mr. and/or mrs. mager,
please refer to the "clouds got in the way" post. if you can handle the English language therein then proceed to be confused.
sincerely,
you can't handle the English language
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:56 pm
by Dan Alaimo
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Dan Alaimo wrote:The main issue for me is that the "Essi-Rossen" dispute has little substance as it goes on and on, yet seems to spread everywhere and disrupts more substantial conversations. As far as I can see, both can be faulted. For instance, in the "Summersgate 1 Summers Hired BL Crony Convicted..." thread, it was a reference by Brian that set off Corey, and who then went on and on. Going way back, it seems to me that Brian's reluctance to answer questions about his charity started it all, but Corey wouldn't let go of it.
I don't know enough about Corey to buy into the idea that he's getting his marching orders from City Hall to disrupt conversation on the Deck. Jim knows him, and that's good enough for me.
By clearing and collecting all these extraneous posts (if someone has time to do that) maybe this picture will become clearer, and we can see who is instigating what. At least we will be able to better stay on point.
Dan
Let me assure you, as someone that knows all the players, some for decades and decades.
Nothing is at it seems in this Bullshit. And there is the problem.
I have supported Corey and the Jordan Family Foundation since the inception. We have given them tens of thousands of dollars in advertising, and support.
But, if you been around here long enough, you start to see the forest for the trees. You don't need much to see which way the wind blows and why.
There is some bad shit about to break, City Hall has put us all in danger, and have now lost control of their pet project of nearly a decade.
It seems to me, that someone throws out facts, and the skirmish for BS and misdirection becomes painfully obvious. I do know that leading up to this important election the Deck and the Lakewood Observer is working towards a more direct, present our facts, and work with residents. The messages I am getting from others is less of the BS and more facts. So, we will move the fluff to the curb.
As I said we are looking for individual limits for those that are seen getting loose, moving posts, and time outs will all be coming into play leading up to the election.
There are some people that bring some really very real, very important serious stuff to the Deck, Lori and Brian, Bill Call, Gilman, O'Malley, Anderson, Markling but it gets lost in their own chaff and the chaff of others. We will figure out a way to fix that.
Side note is Essi Grossetti exchange being moved back into the discussion based on information Brian is bringing forward.
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About time for some coffee?
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:14 pm
by Dan Alaimo
Brian Essi wrote:
Dan,
Sorry, but you seem to have missed a few posts---
That's pretty easy considering all the stuff that's flying around.
I did a quick search and here's what I know of your nonprofit, which I'd personally like to understand better:
"a charitable organization to help the underserved"
Could you link me to a post where you expanded on that? Or, if it's still in development, just say so. That would be good enough for me.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:42 pm
by m buckley
Dan Alaimo wrote:The main issue for me is that the "Essi-Rossen" dispute has little substance as it goes on and on, yet seems to spread everywhere and disrupts more substantial conversations. As far as I can see, both can be faulted. For instance, in the "Summersgate 1 Summers Hired BL Crony Convicted..." thread, it was a reference by Brian that set off Corey, and who then went on and on. Going way back, it seems to me that Brian's reluctance to answer questions about his charity started it all, but Corey wouldn't let go of it.
I don't know enough about Corey to buy into the idea that he's getting his marching orders from City Hall to disrupt conversation on the Deck. Jim knows him, and that's good enough for me.
By clearing and collecting all these extraneous posts (if someone has time to do that) maybe this picture will become clearer, and we can see who is instigating what. At least we will be able to better stay on point.
In between zombies and circus clowns, and where oh where are those arbiters of negativity, those toxic avengers when you need them , stands Mr. Alaimo and his position that the burden of unanswered questions lies squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Essi . Mr. Alaimo you and I have been observing different Decks, up to and including today when Mr. Rossen couldn't muster enough to comment on Summers and Honest Dru's hiring of someone who apparently felt right at home in a cesspool of Anti-Semitism and some creepy bizarre sexual content mail.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:44 pm
by Brian Essi
Dan Alaimo wrote:Brian Essi wrote:
Dan,
Sorry, but you seem to have missed a few posts---
That's pretty easy considering all the stuff that's flying around.
I did a quick search and here's what I know of your nonprofit, which I'd personally like to understand better:
"a charitable organization to help the underserved"
Could you link me to a post where you expanded on that? Or, if it's still in development, just say so. That would be good enough for me.
Dan,
No worries. Lori Allen made a post at 1:10 am on June 2nd---my 57th birthday.
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... nt#p166835
By 7:47 am I was the first to respond to Lori's post, even though I was out of the country celebrating. FYI Res Ipsa Loquitor means "the thing speaks for itself" The articles of incorporation filed with the secretary of state:
Here is my original post.
Brian Essi wrote:Res Ipsa Loquitor.
The purposes of this foundation are set forth in the articles and include Lakewood's underserved as beneficiaries. I am the sole incorporator and sole founding member. This has all been public since January of this year.
Summers and CCF have been secretly planning their "health and wellness" foundation for nearly 3 years now. During that time their self serving decisions and greed have resulted in diminished services to the underserved in Lakewood.
The Master Agreement and Summers make no mention of benefitting the underserved.
The hospital has been closed for 3 months now and what have they done for the underserved? Transportation? Assistance?
I will continue to work to develop possible solutions to the heathcare crisis in Lakewood. This crisis was manufactured by Summers and his Master Agreement in total disregard of the needs of underserved and of the law.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:16 pm
by Peter Grossetti
Corey Rossen wrote:
No one seems to mention that the Clouds Got in the Way thread drift was started by a Michael Deneen rant .
Hi, Corey. Actually, the Clouds Get In the Way thread lost its way when Lori Allen posted a photo of mattresses ... which look a lot like clouds through a microscope apparently.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:23 pm
by kate e parker
essi, could you please post the "articles" that you reference in your post? you know, the purpose that are set forth in the articles? the ones that benefit the underserved? could you post those please?
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:25 pm
by Dan Alaimo
Brian Essi wrote:Dan Alaimo wrote:Brian Essi wrote:
Dan,
Sorry, but you seem to have missed a few posts---
That's pretty easy considering all the stuff that's flying around.
I did a quick search and here's what I know of your nonprofit, which I'd personally like to understand better:
"a charitable organization to help the underserved"
Could you link me to a post where you expanded on that? Or, if it's still in development, just say so. That would be good enough for me.
Dan,
No worries. Lori Allen made a post at 1:10 am on June 2nd---my 57th birthday.
http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewt ... nt#p166835
By 7:47 am I was the first to respond to Lori's post, even though I was out of the country celebrating. FYI Res Ipsa Loquitor means "the thing speaks for itself" The articles of incorporation filed with the secretary of state:
Lakewood Health and Wellness Foundation Articles.pdf
Here is my original post.
Brian Essi wrote:Res Ipsa Loquitor.
The purposes of this foundation are set forth in the articles and include Lakewood's underserved as beneficiaries. I am the sole incorporator and sole founding member. This has all been public since January of this year.
Summers and CCF have been secretly planning their "health and wellness" foundation for nearly 3 years now. During that time their self serving decisions and greed have resulted in diminished services to the underserved in Lakewood.
The Master Agreement and Summers make no mention of benefitting the underserved.
The hospital has been closed for 3 months now and what have they done for the underserved? Transportation? Assistance?
I will continue to work to develop possible solutions to the heathcare crisis in Lakewood. This crisis was manufactured by Summers and his Master Agreement in total disregard of the needs of underserved and of the law.
Thank you, Brian. That's exactly what I was missing. I went right by it the first time through. Good luck with it!
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:32 pm
by Dan Alaimo
m buckley wrote:Dan Alaimo wrote:The main issue for me is that the "Essi-Rossen" dispute has little substance as it goes on and on, yet seems to spread everywhere and disrupts more substantial conversations. As far as I can see, both can be faulted. For instance, in the "Summersgate 1 Summers Hired BL Crony Convicted..." thread, it was a reference by Brian that set off Corey, and who then went on and on. Going way back, it seems to me that Brian's reluctance to answer questions about his charity started it all, but Corey wouldn't let go of it.
I don't know enough about Corey to buy into the idea that he's getting his marching orders from City Hall to disrupt conversation on the Deck. Jim knows him, and that's good enough for me.
By clearing and collecting all these extraneous posts (if someone has time to do that) maybe this picture will become clearer, and we can see who is instigating what. At least we will be able to better stay on point.
In between zombies and circus clowns, and where oh where are those arbiters of negativity, those toxic avengers when you need them , stands Mr. Alaimo and his position that the burden of unanswered questions lies squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Essi . Mr. Alaimo you and I have been observing different Decks, up to and including today when Mr. Rossen couldn't muster enough to comment on Summers and Honest Dru's hiring of someone who apparently felt right at home in a cesspool of Anti-Semitism and some creepy bizarre sexual content mail.
I've got my answer now from Brian and I'm good with that. It looks a great idea.
The problem remains the back and forth stuff of little consequence. Or as Lori put it in the same thread where Brian posted the details of his foundation, "The bickering between the boys here is quite humorous. It reminds me of middle school." Except it's not very funny any more.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:51 pm
by Meg Ostrowski
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Send suggestions to Dan Alaimo, Meg Ostrowski.
I certainly do not consider myself an authority but I did commit to Jim (O’Bryan) that I would offer my opinion on ways to improve interaction here as needed. Generally, I think it is best not to control conversation, let everyone have their say and pray that it will be productive. However, it is obvious to anyone who follows that many regular posters limited or ceased their participation (some declaring so publicly) as things became more contentious.
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Dan Alaimo gave me a great idea, start trimming the drift from some of these threads and keep the whole thing more focused.
As Corey, Brian wants what is best for the Deck, and I am sure Lori would love to see some men slapped down, I propose moving all of the bits and pieces that fly around and nice things that get broken when the boys and gals wrestle, I am going to use this as the dust bin, errrr scratch and dent area.
We are also looking at a post per day limit, and time out for those that continue.
Yep after 12 years we are approaching a "Don't make me turn this car around moment."
Thank you in advance.
I'm not sure the project has the manpower to manage the inventory accumulated that qualifies for your "scratch and dent area."
I welcome suggestions but believe that if each of us focuses on trying to make our own contributions valuable instead of reacting, demanding answers, judging and defining others, we might better honor our community and this project in the way each deserves…thus avoiding rules, time outs, posting limits and the like.
I urge my “good neighbors” to (re)join me “over the digital fence” in reviving the intelligent, civil dialogue here that has helped carry Lakewood through good and bad times.
Re: Collections Of Essi Rossen Scratch and Dent Sale
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:07 am
by Corey Rossen
Jim O'Bryan wrote:
I have supported Corey and the Jordan Family Foundation since the inception. We have given them tens of thousands of dollars in advertising, and support.
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Actually....the support was an exchange. I would put the Lakewood Observer on our advertisements as a supporter of an event and it would get posted in the Lakewood Observer. So technically, I was giving Jim tens of thousands of dollars in advertising support of a local charity benefiting kids - which is always a feel good thing for a local media outlet. Bear in mind, advertising in the LO is free to non-profits and open to every non-profit according to Jim. Except - Jim would not put my event ad in the Lakewood Observer paper last year until I put his logo on it as he requested. This coincidentally coincided with Observation Deck banter between he and I at the time. I put his logo on the ad and magically it appeared in the paper the next issue.
My best support of Jim and the Lakewood Observer was being his (and the Observers) landlord for 11 years. That is where my true leniency and toleration came into play with him as a tenant.
Corey
Every other non-profit issued us tax reports for partnering with them. Also every ad that did not have Lakewood Observer on it fell outside of any "partnering." We were glad to support the Jordan Foundation as I was able to see the amount of work you and Kara put into it.
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