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Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:13 pm
by kate e parker
Michael Deneen wrote:
scott gilman wrote:World of Beer; Closed before the hospital and is reopened as the Detroiter
Eddie & Eddie's (and Cerino's DO know how to run a restaurant); is reopened as Burgers to Beer
Streatburger closed (because the church told them to move, and the place is still empty a year later); Building was sold by the church
Cleveland Pickle; Will be reopening with a different type of menu
Pug Mahone's;Will be reopening with a different type of menu
Quaker Steak; Parent company filed for bankruptcy protection and was acquired by Travel Centers of America
The Gorilla.Still open

So how does any of this relate to the hospital?
This is fascinating. For months our so-called "Finance Director" acted as the Mayor's PR spinmaster.
Has that job been turned over to the Fire Chief?
gilman only stated facts not spin. facts that he saved me from posting the same facts. although, he left out "forage". "forage" blows. i'm surprised it's lasted this long.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:17 pm
by kate e parker
Jim O'Bryan wrote:



However I know of one business that bought space a little over a year ago that was told by the city, "You should clean up just selling food to the hospital and doctors." Similar to someone from the city telling the BBQ place in Bailey's, "If you just get lunch rush from University of Akron Students you will do well."
what restaurant buys a space? if what you say is true and a restaurant bought a spot in restaurant saturated Lakewood then they deserved to close. that's just business 101.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:36 pm
by Matthew Lee
Can't wait to try Proper Pig BBQ, where Cleveland Pickle used to be located.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:48 pm
by Lori Allen _
Sorry Jim. I have to agree with Mike on this one.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:30 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
kate e parker wrote:
Jim O'Bryan wrote:
However I know of one business that bought space a little over a year ago that was told by the city, "You should clean up just selling food to the hospital and doctors." Similar to someone from the city telling the BBQ place in Bailey's, "If you just get lunch rush from University of Akron Students you will do well."
what restaurant buys a space? if what you say is true and a restaurant bought a spot in restaurant saturated Lakewood then they deserved to close. that's just business 101.

Actually, they are doing well, the BBQ placed closed. These guys have a niche market and solid food.

Kate, I know two people that have bought restaurants in Lakewood over the past two years. Both have unique menus and should do OK.

Business 101 is many things, but believing City Hall should be government 101.

Lori, what is the untruth in Chief Gilman's statement?

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Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:55 pm
by Lori Allen _
Jim,
I feel he too is a spokesman for the mayor at times. That said, I still feel that he is a good fire chief.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:03 pm
by kate e parker
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Kate, I know two people that have bought restaurants in Lakewood over the past two years. Both have unique menus and should do OK.

Business 101 is many things, but believing City Hall should be government 101
bought the actual space or the name? and who are "they" in case anyone wants to patronize them (maybe "they" want to do better than ok)?

also, if what you assert is true...who did "they" purchase from? was it the city?

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:08 pm
by kate e parker
However I know of one business that bought space a little over a year ago
Kate, I know two people that have bought restaurants in Lakewood
one? two? can I get a third?

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:25 am
by Jim O'Bryan
kate e parker wrote:
However I know of one business that bought space a little over a year ago
Kate, I know two people that have bought restaurants in Lakewood
one? two? can I get a third?
Kate

1 (One) bought was told hospital would help.

2 (That One plus another One) people that bought restaurants and are doing well, one without hospital business.

Not that hard to follow. We were talking about restaurants effected, then buying restaurants.

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Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:55 am
by Meg Ostrowski
scott gilman wrote:World of Beer; Closed before the hospital and is reopened as the Detroiter
Eddie & Eddie's (and Cerino's DO know how to run a restaurant); is reopened as Burgers to Beer
Streatburger closed (because the church told them to move, and the place is still empty a year later); Building was sold by the church
Cleveland Pickle; Will be reopening with a different type of menu
Pug Mahone's;Will be reopening with a different type of menu
Quaker Steak; Parent company filed for bankruptcy protection and was acquired by Travel Centers of America
The Gorilla.Still open

So how does any of this relate to the hospital?
There seems no shortage of entrepreneurs intent on pursuing their dreams of opening or revamping their own restaurants. This could have something to do with a lack of jobs, spurred on by reality TV shows that glamorize the industry. But it is a tough business with trim margins. In a saturated market like Lakewood, anything less than a lean operation that provides outstanding food, service, price point, location, parking and atmosphere puts these businesses at risk.

How this relates to the hospital closing is now there are fewer jobs and fewer customers here, putting restaurants at greater risk of failure. That won’t stop them from trying but it also won’t help them succeed.

Subsidies may ease the pain but only postpone the inevitable. Businesses (and taxpayers alike) are going to have to adapt to the new circumstances or simply no longer be here by choice or consequence.

Re: Local Businesses Seeking Operating Subsidies From The City?

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:34 am
by Bill Call
Jim O'Bryan wrote:City is just delusional. $1,000 apartments are not luxury apartments, they are apartments. Just apartments. Why does the city have to over state everything, EVERYTHING!

How come they don;t overstate the number of jobs they helped the city loose? We are closing in an 2,000 jobs lost.

WORST LAKEWOOD ADMINISTRATION, EVER.

EVER, and people are talking about it.

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It's all very strange. The Plain Dealer describes the movement of 350 jobs from Lakewood to downtown as a wonderful boost to downtown development. Avon Lake City officials are excited about the 1,500 new medical jobs. What is our very own City Hall excited about? Losing 1,800 jobs. Oh yes, and the conversion of an office building into an apartment building with all the amenities and appearance of the County Jail.
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Can someone from Build Lakewood explain this new development paradigm where losing jobs and economic activity is seen as a plus?

Can someone from City Hall explain it? Is there an explanation? Is there a policy?

Can someone explain why the people of Lakewood are not being warned that the new "Lakewood emergency room" is a danger to their health?

The Lakewood Center Building sold in foreclosure for about $3.5 million.

Imagine the possibilities if the City bought the building and worked with Metro and TRI-C and independent doctors and a new Lakewood Hospital Foundation and a new LHA committed to health care and development in Lakewood.