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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:56 pm
by Justine Cooper
Phil,

Very good post! There are a lot of groups out there promoting Lakewood in every way they can and it is interesting to see who shows up really to show their support. Anyone that ever complains of businesses closing or what has happened to Lakewood I hope would show up at most of these events, especially the free ones!

Everyone reads these posts with their own perspective but I didn't find Sharon's post offensive. Some may feel that a person that has or had children in the Lakewood schools can better represent the schools. It may or may not be true, but it just sounds like a thought she put out there.

Mike,
Did Dennis really turn Republican? Where have I been? :shock:

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:07 pm
by Mike Deneen
Where HAVE you been?

He has been a right wing tool for a few years now. I think he converted about the same time he was canned by Monday Night Football. Like many Saturday Night Live alums, he stopped being funny after a few years (Dan Ackroyd, Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy, etc).

Actually, it was a very, very smart career move. Republicans are INCREDIBLY unfunny, so by their low standards he still has a career. He pops up on Fox News (which is unintentionally funny) quite frequently, I believe on the Bill O and Hannity Shows. He was smart enough to avoid the disastrous "Daily Show" knockoff that Fox tried to launch earlier this year.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:09 pm
by Justine Cooper
I guess with little ones I haven't been up that late!!! :? I seriously am out of the loop.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:28 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Mike Deneen wrote:Where HAVE you been?

He has been a right wing tool for a few years now. I think he converted about the same time he was canned by Monday Night Football. Like many Saturday Night Live alums, he stopped being funny after a few years (Dan Ackroyd, Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy, etc).

Actually, it was a very, very smart career move. Republicans are INCREDIBLY unfunny, so by their low standards he still has a career. He pops up on Fox News (which is unintentionally funny) quite frequently, I believe on the Bill O and Hannity Shows. He was smart enough to avoid the disastrous "Daily Show" knockoff that Fox tried to launch earlier this year.
Glenn Beck is funny and right winger... just sayin...

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:42 pm
by Stephen Eisel
Mike Deneen wrote:As Dennis Miller once joked many years ago (before he sold out and became a Right Wing Tool)......"$1,500.....so how are they gonna pay for the second month, George?" (Bush 41 was president at the time)

Vouchers are a trojan horse designed to kill public education.
The voucher was not intended to pay 100% of the total tuition bill. $1,500 would probably cover about 60% or 70% of the tuition for most Catholic Schools. The remaining balance would probably be covered by grants and scholarships from the attendees school of choice.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:01 pm
by Stephen Eisel

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:06 am
by Ivor Karabatkovic
Sharon you bring up an interesting point that I've wondered about myself for quite some time.

I think it's a matter of faith, economic status and tradition.

One of my good friends was the only male to attend LHS and not St.Ed's out of his family. he was scolded for breaking the tradition, and his younger brother who now attends St.Eds is called "the golden boy" of the family.

The family has lived here for generations.

You can look at it as not wanting to support Lakewood City Schools, but I don't think that's what went through the parents' minds when they made their decisions on where to send their kids.

I think it was more of a "well, grandpa went there, so did dad, so did I and my brothers, so my son will follow in our foot steps as well."

This comes from a guy who has painted his chest and volunteered hundreds of hours towards putting Lakewood sports into papers and the public eye. :wink:

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:16 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Stephen Eisel wrote:Glenn Beck is funny and right winger... just sayin...

Sounds like Jumbo Shrimp to me!

Right wing and funny!

Not while they drive the country to bankruptcy and kill our men and woman and anything else that gets in their way.

No joy, no laughter, no mas.


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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:41 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Ivor Karabatkovic wrote:This comes from a guy who has painted his chest and volunteered hundreds of hours towards putting Lakewood sports into papers and the public eye. :wink:
Ivor

While this tribute is nice to Mike Deneen, let's get back on subject. :wink:

My experience has been very different.

Near to us is a very good Lakewood family that put their children through Lutheran Schools. The single reason was the riff raff at Lakewood Schools. Let me make sure you understand their children NEVER went to Lakewood Schools, so the "riff raff" was all talk. Or in my mind all smoke and mirrors.

When they could not get their daughter into a Lutheran High School(if such a thing exists) they put her in Magnificat,* as this was the school their friends had stashed their daughters. Again the problems with public schools, you know. It was there that they learned at an early age about jello shots, over drinking to hospitalization, and well you know other stuff we will let slide in this forum. A couple life terminations and then graduation. Today she is a great mother at 24, 4 kids, and lives in Rocky River.

My point, is when I talk to parents, religion and background rarely pops into the first 5 minutes of the conversation. Of course maybe my reputation proceeds me.

There is no doubt that parents should be allowed to follow any route they think is right for their children. The pressure on parents and kids to get into the right college begins at Kindergarten, and runs for 13 more years.

What upsets me, is by pulling these students that obviously have parents that care about their children's future from public schools, it makes the schools and the NCLB scores suffer. When parents point to better scores for students in private school, they leave out that they as parents are probably the reason, certainly more than the schools. They are taking a much deeper interest after paying $5,000, $10,000 or more for 6th grade, so they want to make sure it pays.

When it comes to politicians, not sure how much it matters except, the schools are a huge part of Lakewood or any city. Students and parents are key parts to a city and its problems and solutions. Look at the effort on the Youth Master Plan, look at how close the schools are working with the city, the Beck Center and even the Observer.

In the end, I see a lot of this like the dad that talks to me about the riff raff on Detroit, and in the parks, and the car that got keyed, and the whatever, then at the end of the discussion announces they are moving to Rocky River because of the taxes!

No doubt parents need to do what they think is right. No doubt it hurts the school district. No doubt a lot of the other conversation might be true, but doesn't hold up as much as the parents interaction with their children.

No kids, was one once, have friends that have gaggles. If that is the correct term for a group of children.

THIS WAS ADDED
* I want to make sur eeveryone knows, these were not classes taught ay Magnificat. These were the things the kids learned on their own at lunch or after school.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:57 am
by Jeff Endress
The voucher was not intended to pay 100% of the total tuition bill. $1,500 would probably cover about 60% or 70% of the tuition for most Catholic Schools. The remaining balance would probably be covered by grants and scholarships from the attendees school of choice.
REALLY?! LCA Charges 4400.00 for non-parishoners. 1000 parish grants
St. Joe's 8075.00 1000 parish grants.....

just sayin'

Jeff

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:03 am
by Stephen Eisel
Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Stephen Eisel wrote:Glenn Beck is funny and right winger... just sayin...

Sounds like Jumbo Shrimp to me!

Right wing and funny!

Not while they drive the country to bankruptcy and kill our men and woman and anything else that gets in their way.

No joy, no laughter, no mas.


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Who controls Congress and the Senate?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:06 am
by Bryan Schwegler
Jim O'Bryan wrote: When they could not get their daughter into a Lutheran High School(if such a thing exists) they put her in Magnificat
Yes, there are two...used to be three, in Cleveland.

The one most kids around here go is Lutheran West which is right near Westgate in Fairview/Rocky River. I'm surprised to hear they couldn't get their daughter in there, it's not like there's space issues.

I've known alot of people who have gone to Lutheran West (I however and am a proud LHS grad and didn't want to go to West) and they are far from angels...actually any parent wanting to send their kid to any private school because they believe their kids won't be exposed to things public school kids are, are completely fooling themselves.

There's also Lutheran East in Cleveland Hts.

Alot of my family way back when (all founding members of the Lutheran community in Cleveland) attended the old Lutheran Central high school.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:15 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Bryan Schwegler wrote:
Jim O'Bryan wrote: When they could not get their daughter into a Lutheran High School(if such a thing exists) they put her in Magnificat
Yes, there are two...used to be three, in Cleveland.

The one most kids around here go is Lutheran West which is right near Westgate in Fairview/Rocky River. I'm surprised to hear they couldn't get their daughter in there, it's not like there's space issues.

There's also Lutheran East in Cleveland Hts.

Alot of my family way back when (all founding members of the Lutheran community in Cleveland) attended the old Lutheran Central high school.


Bryan


Thanks.

This was not a judgement one way or another.

I think it was more that parents, are and should be the influence. If it is a religious house than the parents and family make it that way.

Outside of that, private and public, same with the exception of uniforms.

I am not a uniform guy.

As for politicians, in the end they stand on their records, and unfortuantely lifestyle and family.

peace


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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:17 am
by Bryan Schwegler
Jim O'Bryan wrote: Bryan


Thanks.

This was not a judgement one way or another.

I think it was more that parents, are and should be the influence. If it is a religious house than the parents and family make it that way.
No, I knew you weren't being judgmental. Actually as you were posting this, I was adding a paragraph into my post where I agreed with your asessment of the poor reasoning of the girls parents.

great

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:28 am
by ryan costa
most of my relatives went to west tech in cleveland in the 70s. My father went to john marshall. I'd wager those schools operated at a quality equal to Lakewood High's present quality during the seventies.

I don't know how much the cost of going to private schools compared to Median incomes back then or now.

It takes extra money to keep the kids pacified or motivated in school today. Security and transportation costs are also much higher. It is harder to get kids who shouldn't be in high school to drop out and join the work force. They end up dragging the whole thing down, so even more kids end up doing poorly.

Every time a few people get food poisoning there's a recall of hundreds of thousands or millions of pounds of meat or salad greens. The quality or sheer quantity of entertainment aimed at the youth market and absorbed by the youth market is probably worse than the effects of lead poisoning. I'd guess 80 percent of young fans of hip hop end up less intelligent, less motivated, and basically less "good" than they otherwise would be. To a lesser extent the same is probably true with People Magazine, Entertainment Tonight, and FOX News.

As for pumping more money into the system, it is mostly soaked up in graft and superfluous administrative expenses and unnecessary renovations. It is true. Take a drive down to Mike White's Alpaca ranch and ask him.