Non-existent crime statistics and blaming Section 8

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:24 am

Suzanne-

One thing I overlooked in my answer to you is the experience I had the last time I tried to speak with Demro.

It was after the Seelie fiasco and I was very upset about some of the things he said at that meeting.

When I went up to him in the lobby and started trying to talk with him, mind you, this was after he announced his candidacy for mayor, he asked me what ward I lived in. I told him Ward 1. He told me "I don't have to talk to you, you don't live in my ward".

How's that for leadership.

I don't care what ward a councilman represents, when he sits on council he is answerable to all citizens, especially when their behaviour affects us all.

Why should I give Demro another chance to speak to what I say?

Been there, done that, want it in writing.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:27 am

When I went up to him in the lobby and started trying to talk with him, mind you, this was after he announced his candidacy for mayor, he asked me what ward I lived in. I told him Ward 1. He told me "I don't have to talk to you, you don't live in my ward".

How's that for leadership.

I am sure that you were calm cool and collective

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:05 am

And a little birdy has told me that Sharon was very cool calm and collective..

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:21 am

Stephen -

The birdie was right and thank you so much for pointing out that I was angry.

Didn't I mention that in my post?

Why yes I did.

Quit snarking me Stephen, spend your time doing something useful instead of running your mouth.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:05 am

Dan,

Thank you for your post. It was the best post I have read in a long time. Positive and to the point.

As for this question with no disrespect to the author:
MULREADY:* As Mayor, how do you plan to deal with Lakewood's transitory role in the flow of populations leaving the inner city, entering Lakewood, and flowing out to the outer ring?

My question is how can ANY mayor stop people from leaving the inner city and moving to Lakewood or anywhere else? Am I missing something? Has this become a focus? So if a family wants to do better for their children and move to a safer community with better schools, we are looking for a mayor who can potentially stop them? That is the saddest thing I have read in terms of this election.

So thank you Dan for staying on the positive end of things.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:12 am

sharon kinsella wrote:Stephen -

The birdie was right and thank you so much for pointing out that I was angry.

Didn't I mention that in my post?

Why yes I did.

Quit snarking me Stephen, spend your time doing something useful instead of running your mouth.

lol

Shawn Juris · Post by **Shawn Juris** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:27 am

Can we get past the soapboxing of smearing Demro and look at the reality of this situation. From what I see, compared to the 10 year averages, crime in Lakewood was up in 2006 in the areas of Robbery, Assault, Burglary, and Motor Vehicle Theft. Numbers where not found from '04-'06 for Felonious Assault and Breaking & Entering. Homicide and rapes were both down. Please take this with a grain of salt since I have yet to see anything official that would give a clear picture and I am left with a hodge podge of information.
While I disagree with the premise of this post, both that crime is down or that Section 8 was "blamed", I would also like to see a comprehensive, detailed report. I've had my fill of excuses and explanations, let's just see the numbers.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:52 am

Hey Shawn - It's easy - go to Demro's web site - he has the stats on his site.

And soapbox? Excuse me, but when you besmirch by euphemism a segment of Lakewoods population, you put down us all.

I have just as much right as anyone else to ask questions of a candidate in reference to what he has posted on the deck, whether you think it's relevant or not.

I'm also getting a little tired of everyone but Demro answering. This has nothing to do with liking or disliking someone, it's about making someone explain his statement.

So far I've heard from: Bryan Schwaegler, Suzanne Metelko, Stephen Eisel and now you.

Do you see the candidate on this list?

I resent the use of the word smear. Asking someone to explain themselves is not smearing. I'm not casting aspersions on his character, like someone keeps doing to me on here, but asking a question.

Got it? Asking a question.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:33 pm

Just as a point of reference, 4 smileys does equal a statement that is suppose to be humorous.. just sayin

Bill Call · Post by **Bill Call** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:48 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:My question is how can ANY mayor stop people from leaving the inner city and moving to Lakewood or anywhere else? Am I missing something? Has this become a focus?

Your question gets to the core of all issues affecting Lakewood.

If Lakewood had a dynamic, growing population and a growing economy discussions about keeping people from leaving town would not be necessary. We don't so they are.

We cannot afford political leadership that views its job as management of decline. A Mayor that views sucess as avoiding the bullet for another year is a manager of the moment not a manager of a vision.

We need leadership with vision. Do any of the three candidates have a vision? ...

The focus should NOT be on keeping people here or on bribing City workers so they live here it should be offering something that makes people want to live hear which is:

1. Housing. Modern, attractive, new, remodeled or whatever. If you focus on housing you will attract the people that pay the bills. If you allow housing to deteriorate, if you fail to accept the premise that houisng becomes obsolete then the City attracts people who don't pay the bill's.

There is no number two because if you have number one you have everything else.

Shawn Juris · Post by **Shawn Juris** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:18 pm

I've used those numbers along with other information that has been posted in the past and again see that crime is up in the area that I indicated. Over the past several months that this has been discussed I've seen conflicting numbers and holes in data. While I was open to the possibility that this information could use improvement, it seems to support his position that crime is up and refute your initial assertion.

Do you think that it's a possibility that others just see your post as flawed and are pointing it out. While Suzanne is closely tied with Demro's candidacy I don't think the others are, I know I'm not. If you're so tired of others responding on his behalf why don't you write him directly?

While it's not smearing to ask someone to explain themselves based on an accurate quote it's certainly suspect to take a quote out of context or read into it all of your own baggage then expect a response based on what you believed you heard them say. It seems that it was already clarified that what you wish he said and what was said were two different things.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:44 pm

Shawn - I've already cut and pasted his comment.

The link below (I don't know how to do the clicky thing) is something that was sent to me by a member of the forum, I never knew about this site, but it's kind of out in the universe.

http://lrowatch.blogspot.com

Bryan Schwegler · Post by **Bryan Schwegler** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:23 pm

sharon kinsella wrote:
http://lrowatch.blogspot.com

Cause we all know that you can trust completely anonymous, shill sites right?

I wonder who's behind the site....hmm....

Kind of disappointing site honestly, doesn't seem too "shocking" and the writing is rather bland. I would expect a political hatchet site to at least be interesting or entertaining.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:40 pm

from the link: A blog to chronicle the antics of Lakewood, Ohio mayoral candidate Ryan Demro and the Lakewood Republican Organization.

Kool-Aid and politics just do not mix...

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:09 pm

Here is a little nugget by way of the rock and roll 1970s past. I was watching the news with an older relative tonight. First they talked about the adult coach, referees, and parents getting into a pile up fist fight at a pee wee football game in North Ridgeville. Then the news covered the half-dozen or so shootings in Cleveland over the last 4 days(nearly all on the east side). Then I heard something like this:

"When me and my wife were kids....you'd go to a dance, a concert, a game...and there were fights every time. We all drank beer in the back seats of cars...and no one ever got sued or shot..."

So...even if crime stats are down or even...how does it feel? How much more pleasant or less pleasant does it feel walking through town?

Non-existent crime statistics and blaming Section 8

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