Cleveland curfews: A need for Lakewood to be proactive?

[Mike Deneen]

In OSU study, criminals rank dogs as #1 deterrent

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... ai_7722327

This study is from 1998, so Maurice Clarett didn't get a vote.

[DougHuntingdon]

The dog who barks incessantly is less of a deterrent than the rare dog who only barks when something really is amiss. It's like those stupid audio car alarms that go off all the time...usually no one looks for a thief--they just get annoyed. Frankly I wish some of those cars really would get stolen. Ever notice how some of the cars are ones thieves wouldn't want to steal anyway? Maybe it makes the owners feel important? When I am mayor, all cars with an audible car alarm that goes off even one time when not being touched by a criminal (cats do not count) will be permanently confiscated/impounded.

I see a year or so ago LPD changed paint jobs on a lot of cars. Maybe they could have hired two additional officers instead? Was the goal to trick potential criminals into thinking they are Linndale police cars? Linndale of course is famous for being tough, at least on speeders on their tiny stretch of highway.

Doug

[Mark Crnolatas]

If it were up to me, I'd have the Lakewood police cars all black. It makes a statement. I'm not fond of the new graphic scheme. Yes many have similar, but it to quote a neighbor on my street in seeing them the first time, he said "it makes me want to tie balloons to it".

The motorcycles are a great image for the Woods PD, and I hope the police dept. would get a few more.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

[Mark Crnolatas]

What exactly are the steps toward actually running for Mayor?

Mark Allan Crnolatas

[David Lay]

Linndale of course is famous for being tough, at least on speeders on their tiny stretch of highway.

Yeah, because that's pretty much their only source of city income, outside of property taxes.

[Jim O'Bryan]

I am always amazed at when ever there is the smallest bit of trouble the solution is lock down the kids.

For some strange reason, the kids have been getting the brunt of all "security actions" for as long as I can remember, and it seems to have little effect.

Rock, music to loud, techno too loud, country too loud, heavy metal too loud, all on thee heels of The Ink Spots too loud! Then we regulate clothing, now hours. Maybe we should go to cages like that couple on trial.

Parents and Institutions must be held accountable for the actions of their kids, workers and students. I see a much bigger problem with drunks at 2:00am then kids in Lakewood.

One thing Ken left about about the SWAT Team of bad kids we were called to look into. This group made of Lakewood kids that have family here, were living with family here or came in from out of town is; they made a deal with the church. If they clean up the area they can hang out there.

Seems to me, the city should be making the same deal at the Parks and on the streets. Parents do not want to pick up the litter, so let's get the kids to do it.

When you lock up people, it only gets them crazy while allowing them time to think how to get even. If you engage these minds, you can create leaders of tomorrow.

Do not fear them, engage them


FWIW

[Joe Ott]

If it were up to me, I'd have the Lakewood police cars all black.

Yeah. I like a lot of Marks' ideas. Lets paint them black (the new ones look cheap somehow to me) and put lots of them on the streets. Lets get the thugs off our streets before we lose the city to the thugs. They will take over. Don't deny it. Somebody mentioned an emergency levy for more police on another thread. Was it Mark? That's an increase I might actually be for.

Oh, if we paint all the cop cars black, we could make the Rolling Stones' song "Paint it Black" our city theme song.

I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black...

Joe


Dylan is coming to Cleveland. Are you going?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Lets get the thugs off our streets before we lose the city to the thugs. They will take over.

Oh, if we paint all the cop cars black, we could make the Rolling Stones' song "Paint it Black" our city theme song.

I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black...

Joe


Dylan is coming to Cleveland. Are you going?

Joe

Let me try to follow this.

We get the thugs off the street, by using a song written by some of the most notorious bad boys and junkies of all time.

Then we all got to see the most anti-establishment entertainer of all time.

Thanks you for making my point.

We do not need to fear 99% of the people you see on the streets. It is the ones coming out of your garage at 3:00am in black clothes we need to fear.

Side thought to Mark's thought. Paint them black and you will need ten times as many just to make the visual impact, of white ones with reflective letters. They have at least 5 dark blue and black cars when needed for sneaking around.

I am thinking gated community, and getting RTA off of Detroit and Madison.


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[dl meckes]

Do you know how long it takes the cops to get to your house when you call them after you see kids near your garage at 3 a.m.?

I counted 27 seconds.

It would have been sooner, but they had left their cars in an unobtrusive spot and were walking quietly with flashlights.

[Jeff Endress]

Jim

It isn't a question of fear. And frankly, it isn't a question of engaging. It's a question of recognizing the existence of a growing problem and determining how best to deal with that problem. Three years ago when we were finalizing plans for the library, the issue of graffiti never came up. Now we're investigating incurring the expense of a protective coating for the new building. Engaging a would be thug doesn't change that issue, but the mere thought that we now have to address preventative measures demonstrates that the problem is real and needs to be addressed.

I don't have the stats.....I'm not sure they are even available. But the concern is that Lakewood is a much safer place to "hang" than many other neighborhoods outside of the 'wood. With the Cleveland curfew change, that situation will only exacerbate. There needs to be action taken, police enforcement of existing ordinances, to send a clear message on the streets that while Lakewood will welcome you, engage you, if your intent is nuisance or chaos, your activities will not be tolerated.

Without that, it's going to be a long summer, more graffiti, more criminal damage and more "fear".

Jeff

[Joe Ott]

Joe

Let me try to follow this.

We get the thugs off the street, by using a song written by some of the most notorious bad boys and junkies of all time.

I'm confused. Where did I say we use a song to get the thugs of the streets?

Then we all got to see the most anti-establishment entertainer of all time.

Uh, still a bit confused. I said "we all got to go see"?

Thanks you for making my point.

Yup. You guessed it. I'm confused. What point?

I am thinking gated community, and getting RTA off of Detroit and Madison.

Ok. That makes sense.


Joe

[Jim O'Bryan]

Jim
Without that, it's going to be a long summer, more graffiti, more criminal damage and more "fear".

Jeff

Jeff


I feel your pain you know I do. We have spoken of this.

Bur graffitti is a problem, but 28 year olds shooting FBI agents seem to be a little bigger problem. The two 30 year olds arrested stealing cars last week seem to be a bigger problem.

Has a parent ever been charged in thic city for the crimes of their children?

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[Rick Uldricks]

Has a parent ever been charged in thic city for the crimes of their children?

I don't know the answer to that question, but they should be held accountable. If an absentee landlord's tenants are committing crimes or becoming a nuisance, the absentee landlord should be held accountable also.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Joe

Maybe I am confused. I thought you said black cars with a theme song from the Stones.

I thought you suggested cracking down on kids in one line and paying for tickets to one of the big anti-establishment figures of all time.

I thought you wanted to stop the thugs, the bus from my studies RTA seems to be one of the major forms of transportation for them coming in the city.

My point - You and I were probably the same kids we now fear. As we go from jumping off garages, to looking for low curbs, it seems that the 12-20 generation becomes the focal point of all of our troubles. If we can just break their will to have fun. We can be safe.

I do not buy it.


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[Jim O'Bryan]

Has a parent ever been charged in thic city for the crimes of their children?

I don't know the answer to that question, but they should be held accountable. If an absentee landlord's tenants are committing crimes or becoming a nuisance, the absentee landlord should be held accountable also.

Rick I agree, but the landlord? Hold them accountable for the building, and for nusiance calls that go over a certain number. But I rent the house next to me. We have good tennants, but they have parties, and I have no idea what is going on. I have to give 24 hours notice before going in the house. That would be very tough to hold me accountable for the crime, but the condition that is another story.


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