Mayor's L2L Event Must Be Canceled or Moved

[tom monahan]

Jim:

As recent as last Monday, prior to Dennis Kucinich's press conference, one of our people was sitting on the second floor of the hospital (near the coffee stand) and had a SLH shirt on when they were approached by a Clinic policeman who told them they would have to leave or he would cite that person for criminal trespassing. He told that person four times that he would cite them for criminal trespassing if they did not immediately exit the building.

This is the second instance in which a person wearing a SLH shirt has been ordered out of the hospital. This first incident took place the day we announced the lawsuit against the Clinic, et al.

I believe that the Clinic folks had better look up their first amendment in their constitution.If not, I would foresee another lawsuit coming down the pike and this one would be in Federal Court. Somebody in Clinic management ought to brief their police unit in the hospital that the hospital is still a city-owned facility and is open to the public.

In both instances, the people involved were doing nothing to disturb anyone.

[m buckley]

This is disturbing. I can't help but reflect on the divisiveness and the amount of damage the Summers' administration has been willing to inflict on this community in what amounts to a ruthless pursuit of their objectives. His lasting legacy will have nothing to do with Solstice Steps. His lasting legacy will be a wounded city, a divided city. What a failure.

[Leo Wetula]

This is disturbing. I can't help but reflect on the divisiveness and the amount of damage the Summers' administration has been willing to inflict on this community in what amounts to a ruthless pursuit of their objectives. His lasting legacy will have nothing to do with Solstice Steps. His lasting legacy will be a wounded city, a divided city. What a failure.

I totally agree. That is the real evil of this whole situation. Leaders should bring people together. Our current local political "leaders" are not leaders at all. On the other hand, at the community forum the other evening, Dennis Kucinich demonstrated that he truly is a leader.

By the way, I originally started this discussion, but I have not called for a boycott of Rozi's. Every individual needs to follow his or her own conscience. I have called for the mayor to cancel or move the October 13 city-sponsored L2L event to another venue.

[todd vainisi]

What's disturbing is SLH calling on people to boycott Lakewood businesses. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Shame on all of you!

[Amy Martin]

I have a right as a consumer to not patronize those places whose policies I do not agree with. For example, as a gay person, I chose to boycott Chick Fil A because of their CEO's anti-gay rhetoric. By doing so, I am exercising my right as a consumer to not spend my hard earned dollars on those kinds of places. Therefore, I have no problem whatsoever boycotting Rozi's or Cotton for that matter. And, I will seek out other businesses who want to demolish our hospital and won't spend my money at any of those places either. This is a basic consumer right.

[Lori Allen _]

Todd,
It is obvious that you did not read the entire thread. The business being talked about is Rozi's. There were no other names mentioned. It appears we only here from you when Summers needs a little boost on the Deck. I invite you to read all document6s that you can find right here on the Deck and get involved. Let Summers come on and speak for himself!

[todd vainisi]

That's hilarious that you accuse me of not reading the thread Lori. And that you think that I am a shill for Mayor Summers, even more funny. Let me know where to pick up my check, cause he seems to have lost my address. We hear from you every day on the deck and you are often half informed and spouting off about things you have no idea about. It gets pretty old.

Here you go...

For now, let's focus on the fact that Summers has knowingly created public forums at Rozi's, Deagan's, Mahall's, and the private businesses of Summers' other supporters so all of our First Amendment rights apply. Protest. Boycott. Picket. Attend. Support. Listen. Talk. Have at it!

Maybe I am misreading that. But even if it is only 1 business, it's shameful. And Amy, boycott anyone you want. Maybe in addition to not having a hospital, you can have a giant empty storefront on detroit where there used to be a stable business that actually has to pay taxes on all of its sales and employee income. I'm sure that will serve your agenda well. Out of curiousity, how many bottles of wine have you bought from Rozi's in the last 2 years? My guess is none! Big stand you are making for your beliefs.

[todd vainisi]

Also, if I read correctly, the Lakewood Observer offices are in a building that Rozi's owns. Maybe you should stop supporting this forum with your comments, as this forum's owner directly contributes to the business income of someone who's beliefs about a hospital are different than yours. Hey, my neighbor disagrees with me about unions - maybe I should stop shoveling his sidewalk when I do mine in the winter or mowing his front lawn at the same time as mine. I'm sure that will send a message to him!

[Amy Martin]

Todd seems like a very angry man.

[Lori Allen _]

Todd, I get my information from public records. Defaming my character is fine if it makes you feel better. At least I am not involved in what appears to be money laundering, etc. like your buddy Mike Summers is. And how about what appears to be covering up all the crime that is happening in Lakewood? Ten confirmed rapes and two unconfirmed, one being a two year old boy. I lost count seeing as most police reports now are labeled Departmental Information. How about the robberies and some at gun point? I could go on and on about your buddy, but, then I would have to do the work for you. I suggest that you search through public records. Oh, and yes, the Clerk of Courts refused to let my son and I view the Felony 4 that the city prosecuter and the judge dismissed. Felony 4 is procuring prostitution with children under the age of 16. The man moved from Clarence and has set up shop in another place in Lakewood. Just last weekend I believe there were four heroin overdoses in a 48 hour period.

I love my city and ran for Ward 3 council to try to make things better. I came in 4th with 10% of the vote. At least I am trying to make my community better, and yes, I support saving Lakewood Hospital. Check my records Todd. A couple of traffic tickets and a couple of small injury law suits. Have at it Todd! You appear to be doing nothing but mouthing off about things that you yourself cannot prove. What are you doing to help our city? Are you for saving Lakewood Hospital. Just curious. Have a nice rest of your day.

[marklingm]

Here you go...

For now, let's focus on the fact that Summers has knowingly created public forums at Rozi's, Deagan's, Mahall's, and the private businesses of Summers' other supporters so all of our First Amendment rights apply. Protest. Boycott. Picket. Attend. Support. Listen. Talk. Have at it!

Maybe I am misreading that.

Todd,

That's actually my quote.

I guess I was being too legal since I wasn't clear in my point.

My point was that the mayor creates a public forum when he holds these L2L events on private property. And, private businesses need to understand that folks have First Amendment rights that are different when private property is opened for a public forum.

I'm not sure why everyone can't be right on this issue.

As I stated: "Protest. Boycott. Picket. Attend. Support. Listen. Talk."

For me, I'm not protesting, boycotting, picketing, attending, supporting, listening, or talking at these L2L events or L2L hosts. That doesn't mean that others can't do one or more of the above.

Matt

[marklingm]

Also, if I read correctly, the Lakewood Observer offices are in a building that Rozi's owns. Maybe you should stop supporting this forum with your comments, as this forum's owner directly contributes to the business income of someone who's beliefs about a hospital are different than yours. Hey, my neighbor disagrees with me about unions - maybe I should stop shoveling his sidewalk when I do mine in the winter or mowing his front lawn at the same time as mine. I'm sure that will send a message to him!

Todd,

Ironically, some folks on Team Summers and Build Lakewood have continually called for the boycotting and closing of Lakewood Observer simply because Jim O'Bryan allows all of us the opportunity to post our own opinions and facts right here, on the Deck, as well as in the print editions of the Lakewood Observer.

And, yet, Team Summers and Build Lakewood folks seem to always get a pass when they call for the boycott of Jim O'Bryan's private businesses and, in effect, you and me.

Matt

[Jim O'Bryan]

All

Boycotting is a legal way to protest things.

That said it is a slippery slope, but up to each person.

I see very little purpose in boycotting any Lakewood Business. I see first hand how hard it is for each and every one. We must not let politics divide who we are.

As for the businesses, if you see them in the Observer, they are partnering with the residents to say and report on their Observations. ALL OF THEM know up front ads but nothing more than ads, and the ability to say they have helped residents and non-profits be heard.

Boycotting the Observer, far too many people in this town are far too busy trying to shut down people's First Amendment to speak and be heard. They would be far wiser and far better off coming up with honest answers to the questions.

This town is being poisoned by clubbiness of peer pressure, and we all know it.

In America, people should be able to say what they believe without fear of retaliation.

Even "The evil Cleveland Clinic" has kept up the support of this project, understanding that Lakewood needs to talk.

To fellow Lakewoodites, do not waste time talking to fake people. Talk with people that will stand behind their words, everyone else is full of bullshit.

There is only one problem in Lakewood right now. A City Hall that is not honest, transparent or forth coming with facts.

It can be cured easily at the ballot box, with ZERO FIGHTING between Lakewoodites.

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[Leo Wetula]

What's disturbing is SLH calling on people to boycott Lakewood businesses. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Shame on all of you!

Again, did you not see my posting immediately above yours? I never called for people to boycott Rozi's. Sheesh! I am just hoping that someone other than Matt Markling will comment on the real issue, which is that the mayor should not be holding this community meeting, L2L, whatever you want to call it, at Rozi's for numerous reasons.

[kate e parker]

What's disturbing is SLH calling on people to boycott Lakewood businesses. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Shame on all of you!

Again, did you not see my posting immediately above yours? I never called for people to boycott Rozi's. Sheesh! I am just hoping that someone other than Matt Markling will comment on the real issue, which is that the mayor should not be holding this community meeting, L2L, whatever you want to call it, at Rozi's for numerous reasons.

you are a plant. see-through, really. so outraged, are you that you wait to report your outrage. no witnesses. no corroboration. just you and your t-shirt.