The Observation Deck

Maybe Colin is crunching numbers.

Michael Deneen wrote:

Phil Florian wrote:The Observer can't have it both ways. Either you want people to come here and comment, even if from parts of the city you disagree with or you don't. Right now the biggest way the LO gets outside opinions on the Deck is to pull it from other sites of social media. Wouldn't you rather directly engage? Just curious.

She can come here all she wants, but I don't have to take her seriously.
She's just here to cover for the boss, period.

She engages ALL DAY, EVERY DAY at every website in town.
I find that very curious for someone whose official job title is finance.
What exactly does Colin McEwan do all day?
Isn't he supposed to be the media contact?

So a person who works for the city can't also be passionate about and invested in the city they work for (and may live in...I don't know if Jennifer is also a resident). Who is the arbiter of who can post and who cannot?

Are your viewpoints invalid because you are passionate about the city you live in? Is everyone that disagrees with you a "minion" or "lackey" or whatever the LO has used to describe people not 100% behind SLH?

Please, someone tell me again why the LO has a reputation for being unfriendly to people not in line with the LO.

Phil Florian wrote:The Observer can't have it both ways. Either you want people to come here and comment, even if from parts of the city you disagree with or you don't. Right now the biggest way the LO gets outside opinions on the Deck is to pull it from other sites of social media. Wouldn't you rather directly engage? Just curious.

Phil

Who is this Observer person you speak of?

Me personally, I prefer engaging on important topics with real people in conversations of
records. Just this week we saw the king of delete put up truly libelous personal attacks
and then delete them. Answered and parroted by people with fictitious names.

Is that really the way adults talk about serious topics?

It is not the negativity, this week alone provide it is much more viscous everywhere else
than here. But here the record stays, the comment stays, and any REAL PERSON can take
a shot at it.

It is not everyone's cup of tea. Politicians and bullies prefer faux names. But as Bridgette
and others can attest, during the Issue 47 wars we have more than one person arguing
with themselves. My favorite is 5 people using one name against one person using 6 names.

That is how serious discussions happen?

Believe me by the end of this debacle, you will want to know the name of the person you
are talking with.

Anyone can read, to comment you just have to leave a verifiable means of proving you are real, and that is it. We never use personal information, and share it with no one ever.

This is a bad thing why?

I get it that some need to control the conversation.

That is not the Deck.

"A Mosh pit of word jazz" where it is up to you, to step up onto the stage and throw down
your licks, your words, your thoughts and see what it turns into.



Some prefer to watch, but all that enter are appreciated.

You know that.

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Bridget Conant wrote:So a person who works for the city can't also be passionate about and invested in the city they work for (and may live in...I don't know if Jennifer is also a resident). Who is the arbiter of who can post and who cannot?

Are your viewpoints invalid because you are passionate about the city you live in? Is everyone that disagrees with you a "minion" or "lackey" or whatever the LO has used to describe people not 100% behind SLH?

Please, someone tell me again why the LO has a reputation for being unfriendly to people not in line with the LO.

She lives in the city, but she's here to protect the boss.
That's my take, and I'm not alone.
I don't speak for all Deckers.....if you had been following this story, you would know that many others here pander to her, as is their right.

I don't buy her act for one minute.
I've been around long enough to see plenty of industry/inside lobbyists spin their tales to protect their jobs. Tobacco executives, auto executives, and now the oil and gas industry.

People are "minions" and "lackeys" when they hold a position in order to please their superiors. That's pretty much the definition of a lackey.

The Deck has a reputation for being unfriendly in the Build Lakewood community because they can't come here and spew their half baked "facts". They get called out, then they disappear.

Phil

I disagree with your take on the Deck. I've seen far nastier comments on Facebook, Nextdoor, the Buzz, and Cleveland.com. Look at the SLH page and check out Build Lakewood supporter Tim Moran, for one. Look at Jay Foran sending out a letter calling Jim a bully and exhorting people to defy him. Calling the paper "yellow journalism and people who circulated petitions "hoodwinked" as though they're too stupid to think for themselves. Or how about the mayor calling people who want to keep a hospital "emotional" to diminish and belittle their opinions and concerns? There is no shortage of negativity, nastiness, or name calling ANYWHERE, so why single out the Deck?

But at least here it's real. Most of those other sites are people using fake names to hide their identity because if people knew who they were, it would ruin their image. But they are there. And they're here, too, reading every post.

What I find interesting is that you won't find the mayor or council or the architects of this debacle out there selling or defending their deal. They send out press releases and statements but won't engage with the citizens. Why aren't they out there? Because they'd be challenged. They'd be asked questions they couldn't answer. Instead, they sit back and hire damage control experts, and send out Jenn Pae, who I give credit to for tirelessly promoting this bad deal, to take the heat.

Bridget Conant wrote:What I find interesting is that you won't find the mayor or council or the architects of this debacle out there selling or defending their deal. They send out press releases and statements but won't engage with the citizens. Why aren't they out there? Because they'd be challenged. They'd be asked questions they couldn't answer. Instead, they sit back and hire damage control experts, and send out Jenn Pae, who I give credit to for tirelessly promoting this bad deal, to take the heat.

Of course, why engage when you can get people to blame the messenger?
Some of the most negative stuff on the Deck was posted by Jay Foran.
Do a search.

I guess this is all more important than honest government.

Pssssssssst they are stealing our hospital.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Of course, why engage when you can get people to blame the messenger?
Some of the most negative stuff on the Deck was posted by Jay Foran.
Do a search.

Jim is referring to the Lakewood Observer Facebook page, which is where Team Summers goes to badmouth this project.

I highly encourage folks to go there and read through some of the threads...it's a very useful insight into the mindset of the anti-hospital crowd.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lakewood ... 8958184731

Yep. They aren't exactly the nicest people. Pretty rabid. But I guess only they are allowed to be "passionate."

Since we have a lot of the Mayor's friends have decided to join the Deck in the past couple days, I thought they might want to chime in on this thread.

On one hand City Hall says there are lots of developers interested in the land.
On the other hand they fear monger the idea of an empty, unwanted piece of property.
Which is it?

There has never been an answer to your question and it seems there is none forthcoming.

According to the Build Lakewood site, "national developers have contacted the city " expressing interest in that land. Which is sort of odd in itself. HOW did they "know" that land might be available?

But ignoring THAT for a moment, WHO are these developers? We know we aren't privy to their "ideas" for the land, but surely the city has a record of these "contacts." WHO did they communicate with?

This should be public information, yet we cannot get answers. WHO Is so interested in that land?

If no one can say, did it really happen?

Six acres really isn't much to developers although it's a lot in Lakewood. The best use is the hospital.

In addition to being an ignorant comment, if is also a calculated part of th campaign of misinformation perpetrated by the CCF Summers PR guys to scare and brainwash BLers.