The Observation Deck

I am not saying Stephen Eisel did anything illegal

Just for the record, the illegal activity happened in Mexico.. that is all that I am saying

Stephen Eisel wrote:

I am not saying Stephen Eisel did anything illegal

Just for the record, the illegal activity happened in Mexico.. that is all that I am saying

Posts like this show why we love you.

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Peter Grossetti wrote: please bear with me when I ask: with all of today's technology, it's impossible to determine who sent the email in question? HUH?? Can somene explain to me (in layman's terms) why that is impossible.

This is because the mail server used by the Czech email-spoofing site is in the EU, and therefore is not required by EU law/regulation to retain the IP addresses of its users. Even if it did, I doubt a subpoena from Lakewood Police/Muni Court would hold much weight over there. That's why if you're going to offer an internet "service" like this, you're going to host it some place like that.

The record of the use of that spoof site exists, probably, with the perpetrator's Internet Service Provider (ISP), or with some coffee house's or library's ISP, if it was initiated at some public place like that, though I'm not absolutely positive about it.

Assuming that's the case, it would take a subpoena for (a) particular ISP(s) of a particular suspect's home and office, and there would need to be legitimate probable cause for that. In other words, authorities need a SUSPECT and PROBABLE CAUSE to "search" his/her records. It can't be a fishing expedition. And authorities just can't go subpoenaing coffee houses' and libraries' ISPs on a whim, they'd have to know first that something illegal transpired using their internet connection on a certain day and time, and then they'd only learn that "some person" with a computer using their connection visited the Czech site in the relevant time frame.

If this was a totalitarian state, the police could just say: ALL ISPs in the US must now turn over ALL the records of ALL their customers who used that specific Czech site on that date around the time email was sent. I think China would/could/does when it feels the need.

So the Czech site is a dead end. I too would like to know who spoofed the email, but I don't think any of us will ever know.

Stephen Eisel (in another thread) wrote:

J Hrlec (in another thread) wrote:

Peter Grossetti (in another thread) wrote:I don't want to sound nitpicky, but the email was, in fact, real. We just don't know its origin.

LOL ...you are right it was a real email. It also was real shame it was posted without a single bit of verification.

I asked the same thing Did Steve reach out to Shawn before posting the e-mail....? But I am just a hata

In HINDSIGHT, of course, he should have. But given the context and no presumable reason to doubt the authenticity, many of us would have made the mistake of thinking it real. Like I said, I get fake emails "from my girlfriend" every day, and the content is just a web link to a trojan horse virus. Because of my EXPERIENCE with this sort of thing, I don't even open them, let alone question her about them. (Honey, did you send me this link to a trojan horse a few hours ago?)

But, if I got an email from her telling me to pick up more milk, and we are actually getting low on milk, and continuing some argument we were having in the driveway just an hour before, about my not shopping often enough, I'd never think it could be a spoofed email from a next door neighbor in earshot, even after dozens of generic fake emails from "her" in the past. It would stretch the imagination. Well maybe less so now, AFTER all this.

So if Steve thought it real, if it never entered his mind that it could be fake, as would be the case with many people, then he had no reason to question it, and publishing it was not unreasonable, if only for his own protection. Now, if he did the same thing again tomorrow with another email, I'd say there was something wrong with his judgement.

It is like watching one of those Dateline shows and hearing all this circumstantial evidence and just knowing the person is guilty and then bam, part two where other evidence comes in and the truth comes out. I do feel bad for Shawn that it played out this way when it turned out that it was a fake email. I feel bad for Steve as well that someone would actually be that immature and nasty, knowing it would publicly escalate to this. Steve brought his computer in and is cleared and Shawn is presumed innocent based on what the investigation has shown.

At least with Dateline you get to find out who dunnit. There is no closure here but Shawn does deserve an apology, in my opinion for the way this played out. I didn't say I knew he did it but I would be lying to say I didn't think he did it. It never entered my mind that a grown person would do this to all involved. Bad character. I apologizre for my thinking.

Justine Cooper wrote:It is like watching one of those Dateline shows and hearing all this circumstantial evidence and just knowing the person is guilty and then bam, part two where other evidence comes in and the truth comes out. I do feel bad for Shawn that it played out this way when it turned out that it was a fake email. I feel bad for Steve as well that someone would actually be that immature and nasty, knowing it would publicly escalate to this. Steve brought his computer in and is cleared and Shawn is presumed innocent based on what the investigation has shown.

At least with Dateline you get to find out who dunnit. There is no closure here but Shawn does deserve an apology, in my opinion for the way this played out. I didn't say I knew he did it but I would be lying to say I didn't think he did it. It never entered my mind that a grown person would do this to all involved. Bad character. I apologizre for my thinking.

Now that is a refreshing post! Good character.

Justine Cooper wrote:It is like watching one of those Dateline shows and hearing all this circumstantial evidence and just knowing the person is guilty and then bam, part two where other evidence comes in and the truth comes out. I do feel bad for Shawn that it played out this way when it turned out that it was a fake email. I feel bad for Steve as well that someone would actually be that immature and nasty, knowing it would publicly escalate to this. Steve brought his computer in and is cleared and Shawn is presumed innocent based on what the investigation has shown.

At least with Dateline you get to find out who dunnit. There is no closure here but Shawn does deserve an apology, in my opinion for the way this played out. I didn't say I knew he did it but I would be lying to say I didn't think he did it. It never entered my mind that a grown person would do this to all involved. Bad character. I apologizre for my thinking.

Yes, mark this date on you calendar.. I like a Justine's post plus I agree with Corey (and I am sober)

Well if Stephen is agreeing with me then I need a drink!!!

I will be the first to admit I can react and be opinionated but I really am working on being less of that, even in politics! Did you notice I stayed off that last political firestorm of yours on facebook Stephen??

It does bother me that this happened and I will always stand up for what is right but who wants to be dragged into others' personal feuds when we all have our own personal lives to focus on? There are people on the deck from the beginning who I had heated debates with and then met them in person and really liked them and some became friends with. It bothered me to get into this with you Corey when I am sipping the wine i made from your kit (lol) no but really like you and your dad. To me it is a lesson learned. We are neighbors and we live among each other and my hope is to find common ground, not reasons to fight.

I think if a third party did this, which seems likely now, it was a character assasination whether these words were spoken before or not. I hope that person gets outed for the sake of the innocent victims.

Justine Cooper wrote:I think if a third party did this, which seems likely now, it was a character assasination whether these words were spoken before or not. I hope that person gets outed for the sake of the innocent victims.

Great point

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