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Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:22 pm
by Cherise Sims
Gary Rice wrote:Cherise:

First of all, a belated and most cordial welcome to the 'Deck.

And, as you have amply demonstrated, you clearly know how to present a persuasive discussion methodically.

Must be that science background... :D

Nice job!

My degree was in Political Science. (Can you tell?) :D

I really am not worried overmuch about hens in Lakewood, as I suspect you already know, but I do believe that, in this community, there are many opinions and minds to be changed, any time that someone wants to change something.

As for birds, I've had a number of different ones over the years, including my dear late "Groundparrot Gilligan", a severe macaw who helped to "predict" whether Lakewood's winter was going to last a few more weeks or not... :D

Animals, gotta love 'em! :D

Again welcome! :D

Nice to have you on board.

Back to the banjo...

(p.s. Just remember that I was minding my own business here, until my name was invoked from posting here way back in 2009....Was it Faulkner who wrote something about the past not being past? :D )


Thank you!
I am happy to have bantered with you, I will expect no less from city council etc. I considered political science at one point, but I am enjoying my foray into community education and urban sustainability. However, I may set my sights on a position in council one of these years. Can I count on your vote :D :wink:
Please consider joining the facebook page, even if it's to just lurk and see what we're up to. I really would like to bring Clover buds, 4H and junior agriculture to lakewood kids as a next step.
Anyway, have a great day!
Reese
https://www.facebook.com/LakewoodOhioHens

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:41 pm
by Gary Rice
I did drop in on that page. Very nice! :D

As for politics, I'd say GO FOR IT! I'd also be remiss if I did not invite you to our Observer "meet-and-greets" that happen every now and then around town. :D

Back to the FIDDLE this time. I'm still thinkin' 'bout all those chicken songs! :D

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:50 am
by J Hrlec
I am on the edge of this issue... I like the thought of learning to be more sustainable but I am not sure it will work in this city. One of the operative words used is "RESPONSIBLE" owners...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this? We already have irresponsible parents, pet owners, etc. Do we need to add one more thing?

I guess all in all, I think it would be worth doing a trial run to see any pitfalls and weigh the benefits

Question: When are hens mostly active? I keep hearing that hens are 60db loud like human conversation but I certainly would not want to hear human conversation throughout the night, trying to get a feel for when hens would be "active" or "noisy"

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:56 am
by Stan Austin
J Hrlec asked:

...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this?


one word---- Friedchicken and, yes, the city has resources--- a stove and oven in the second floor auditorium!

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:02 am
by J Hrlec
Stan Austin wrote:J Hrlec asked:

...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this?


one word---- Friedchicken and, yes, the city has resources--- a stove and oven in the second floor auditorium!


Haha :D

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:05 pm
by Cherise Sims
J Hrlec wrote:I am on the edge of this issue... I like the thought of learning to be more sustainable but I am not sure it will work in this city. One of the operative words used is "RESPONSIBLE" owners...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this? We already have irresponsible parents, pet owners, etc. Do we need to add one more thing?

I guess all in all, I think it would be worth doing a trial run to see any pitfalls and weigh the benefits

Question: When are hens mostly active? I keep hearing that hens are 60db loud like human conversation but I certainly would not want to hear human conversation throughout the night, trying to get a feel for when hens would be "active" or "noisy"


You are absolutely correct, responsibility is key to the stewardship of any animal. It is a possibility that a small amount of people might get hens and regret it, or turn out to be really bad at it. That is why we recommend registration and leg banding in order to receive a permit. Also, during the course of the Pilot program we would like to hold information sessions with the public so that people can see what they are getting into. That should help, but there is no plan that would be 100% effective at eliminating bad pet owners. However, the first portion of a hen’s life is key to its long term health, if someone is not keeping the coop clean or has not invested in proper housing and equipment they will not have hens very long. And remember 5 hens produce less waste than a medium sized dog, the 6 hens or fewer requirements will ensure that whatever build-up of droppings that could occur from miss-management will compost so rapidly there should not be an offensive odor.
Animal control would most likely deal with complaints and fines. As for noise, hens go to bed at dusk and remain quiet (barring something attacking them) until around mid-morning when they lay an egg. Unless you are standing near the pen or on the other side of your fence you most likely would not hear it. The general recommendation by most cities is to place the coop at a 20’ distance between the edge of the coop/run and the neighbor’s actual dwelling. This would further decrease the chance of you ever hearing even the egg laying “song” from your home.

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:10 pm
by Cherise Sims
J Hrlec wrote:
Stan Austin wrote:J Hrlec asked:

...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this?


one word---- Friedchicken and, yes, the city has resources--- a stove and oven in the second floor auditorium!


Haha :D


Remember, slaughter is not permitted within city limits! However, I know a farmer about 1/2 hr away that will process those unwanted chickens for about $2
If you can eat something you gave a name too :cry:

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:15 pm
by J Hrlec
Cherise Sims wrote:
J Hrlec wrote:I am on the edge of this issue... I like the thought of learning to be more sustainable but I am not sure it will work in this city. One of the operative words used is "RESPONSIBLE" owners...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this? We already have irresponsible parents, pet owners, etc. Do we need to add one more thing?

I guess all in all, I think it would be worth doing a trial run to see any pitfalls and weigh the benefits

Question: When are hens mostly active? I keep hearing that hens are 60db loud like human conversation but I certainly would not want to hear human conversation throughout the night, trying to get a feel for when hens would be "active" or "noisy"




You are absolutely correct, responsibility is key to the stewardship of any animal. It is a possibility that a small amount of people might get hens and regret it, or turn out to be really bad at it. That is why we recommend registration and leg banding in order to receive a permit. Also, during the course of the Pilot program we would like to hold information sessions with the public so that people can see what they are getting into. That should help, but there is no plan that would be 100% effective at eliminating bad pet owners. However, the first portion of a hen’s life is key to its long term health, if someone is not keeping the coop clean or has not invested in proper housing and equipment they will not have hens very long. And remember 5 hens produce less waste than a medium sized dog, the 6 hens or fewer requirements will ensure that whatever build-up of droppings that could occur from miss-management will compost so rapidly there should not be an offensive odor.
Animal control would most likely deal with complaints and fines. As for noise, hens go to bed at dusk and remain quiet (barring something attacking them) until around mid-morning when they lay an egg. Unless you are standing near the pen or on the other side of your fence you most likely would not hear it. The general recommendation by most cities is to place the coop at a 20’ distance between the edge of the coop/run and the neighbor’s actual dwelling. This would further decrease the chance of you ever hearing even the egg laying “song” from your home.


Thanks, that is very informative. It would be tough for many to meet the 20' from other residences, I don't think many have that type of spacing... but as you said I guess well have to see if people without the proper space and focus will even partake in this experiment.

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:18 pm
by Valerie Molinski
This is an email from a friend of mine. She lives in Portland, Or, where I used to live. I asked her to put together some thoughts for me regarding as we considered keeping hens in our yard. I currently dont have the time or energy to devote to them, but I support it. As I mentioned on the Hens in Lakewood facebook page, a neighbor we had there kept hens and we didnt even realize it until he showed us the coop. The house proximity and lot sizes were very similar in our old neighborhood to what we have here in Lakewood.

Added: Mochi is their dog

So first of all we love having chickens. I'm sure all of the farmers are laughing at us urban chicken people because they are literally our 'outdoor pets.' They actually come running to us and 'talk to us' and let us pet them! We started with 3 but unfortunately, Mr. Mochi had a 'gift from God' experience and one of chicks (when she was pullet size) and new to being outside, decided to jump out of her coop when I opened the lid and right onto Mochi's head. The story ends pretty much right there. However, after 1 1/2 years of not allowing him to be outside at the same time as them, he is now their body guard and is actually somewhat intimidated by them. But lately, he will lay down peacefully in the sun while they dig around for grubs in the garden.

I assume you might have already looked up the City of Portland ordinance for Specific Animal Regulations. Look at ordinance #13.05.010, (E) and that will give you pretty much what we follow.
http://www.portlandonline.com/auditor/index.cfm?c=28228

Next, check out :
http://www.backyardchickens.com/
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/
the forum is supposed to be a goldmine of info but you may find yourself receiving a million emails so I never signed up. I am literally 'winging' it! ha, ha!

A fun one is :
http://www.sandhillpreservation.com/index.html
They are located in Iowa and specialize in heirloom poultry and seeds. I seem to remember that they require large orders though but you could always share with friends!

Also we rely on our local Urban Farm store :
http://www.urbanfarmstore.com/
The owners started this store (very modestly) approx. 2 years ago selling chicks, chicken and dog supplies and small organic garden plants and they are a hoppin' now. They probably cannot believe it. If you sign up to get their email they send monthly tips on the garden in the NW and raising your chickens.

Last, a fun event in pdx is Tour de Coops. Here are a couple of YouTube videos as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQUDIrxjaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC0yB3LjM0E

As I said, I am not heavily researched on the law because it is so easy here. But we do love having our girls. However, here is what we've learned and will need to make adjustments for if we want to continue to have them.

1. Our yard is too small- you know how beyond tiny it is. We let them roam the backyard as do most of our chicken owning friends and they do produce a lot of poop. They also have scratched up entire backyards. We consider ourselves lucky because they have not done that to our yard and I have built my garden beds 30" above the ground hoping to prevent them from hopping in and eating our seedlings...which they will do. However, they found out that over the winter it is easy to jump up 30" and dig for amazing worms in the garden beds. Thus we had to build 3' high netting barrier around the beds this summer. So, if you get them I HIGHLY recommend containing them in a liberal amount of space, but containing them so they are not in your outdoor living room...

2. Yes, they can be loud. But really, no worse than a neighbor having a dog. That said, they are usually not loud MOST of the time. Unfortunately, our are loudest when the sun begins to come up and they know that we are awake. They are so funny as they see our lights go on or hear the toilet flush/vent and then they start to cluck to tell us that they want out of the coop for the day.

3. You will need babysitters like other pets do when you are out of town.

4. You will get mice if you do not keep the coop tidy. We got a rat as well last summer, but we cautiously used very toxic substances and got rid of it and the mice as well. However, the mice came back when we got lax for a little bit. So keeping your coop clean and the yard tidy is essential.

5. Your coop will not emit much (if any smell) if you keep it clean and tidy.

6. Be sure you get breeds that actually are bred to lay eggs. One of ours we found out is an 'ornamental breed and only lays 2 months out of the year then becomes terribly broody for the next 3 months, then sheds her feathers. But she is a beauty and she has...get ready for it...a hilarious personality! The other hen we got we thought we an 'Easter Egger' meaning that her eggs would be a light green color, but we got the one in 20 something that lays brown. And she only lays for approx. 6 months out of the year. So here we have these great chickens but still have to buy eggs at least 6 months out of the year.

So the only other advice I can think of at the moment is read, read, read about other people's experiences with owning chickens.

Re: urban hen raising can be done!

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:40 pm
by Pete Miller
J Hrlec wrote:I am on the edge of this issue... I like the thought of learning to be more sustainable but I am not sure it will work in this city. One of the operative words used is "RESPONSIBLE" owners...how do we handle those who are not so in a quick and effective manner? Do we have city resources for this? We already have irresponsible parents, pet owners, etc. Do we need to add one more thing?

I guess all in all, I think it would be worth doing a trial run to see any pitfalls and weigh the benefits


I'm one of the folks that is looking to participate in the pilot program for hens in Lakewood.

I think one thing that many folks do not realize is that this is a pretty decent financial investment as well. I think that in itself will go a ways towards eliminating many of the "irresponsible" owners. I'm looking to build my own coop and run and have much of the materials on hand to do so. It will still be a fairly expensive/ labor intensive project. If you purchase a coop/run already built or a kit to build yourself it's still several hundred dollars minimum. Add to the the cost of supplies and feed and it's not like going to the pet shop and buying a small pet(s). Normally if someone is going to spend the money on a project like this they will have a decent idea of what they are getting into.

I'm looking forward to hopefully being a pilot project member. I have raised pheasants, quails and ducks in the past so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into. My children are also excited about the project as well. They already help me with the gardening, composting and building rain barrels, this is just another step in seeing where their food comes from.