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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:22 pm
by Shawn Juris
How abouty a cause awareness week. Everyone can cover themselves in ribbons and check that one off their list for the year.
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:07 pm
by Bryan Schwegler
Todd Shapiro wrote:Gary says that the right wishes for religion and the government to become more intertwined. I don't think that is necessarily true many on the right wish government wish just get the heck out of our lives. If Bryan and others are correct that people are born homosexual (and I not smart enough to understand the science to even weigh in on that argument) then why do we need a government sponsored week to celebrate how you were born? I was born with a slower metabolism than some of my friends and family, should we have "fat" pride week to celebrate those of us who were born unable to keep off weight? Two of my best friends were doggoned at young ages with Asmara, there were born that way. When is the Asthma pride/awareness parade to celebrate the way they born. As idiotic as these ideas may sound the point is people usually go out and celebrate the choices they make not the way they were born. You can't have it both ways.
Great ideas Todd! If they don't already exist hopefully you'll go about getting them started!
pride
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:25 am
by michael gill
Ryans:
I don't know all the Bible says or doesn't about gays, but I certainly don't think it should influence a government decision.
Still, I recognize (even if I don't agree with) the logic of the argument against marking special weeks to raise awareness of what you seem to consider "special interests."
You know, you let one of those "groups" in the door, and pretty soon you've got them all barging in on you. Better to have none than to deal -because you set precedent--with all their "needs."
Tell me this: what do you think of Black History month? Labor Day? Memorial Day? Should we roll those back to lighten the celebratory load?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:34 am
by Dee Martinez
If Mr. Salo is using an anti-gay stance as the cornerstone for his political campaign I wonder if he is aware that gays are the only "minority" group where property values actually go UP when "they" move in.
Keeping property values low doesn't seem like a strong campaign message.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:35 am
by Joe Whisman
Good point Mike,
Labor day is too lefty, Memorial day is too military, but why stop there? Let cancel Christmas, Easter, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa,St. Paddy's, St Valentines, New Years,Cinco de Mayo, Boxing Day, wow I feel much better. I never realized how many of our "holidays" are religious based. I will go to work every day with a smile on my face, knowing the pressure of celebrating has been removed. Hey while were at it,lets open the State Liquor stores on Sunday. After all, this is the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:37 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Joe Whisman wrote:Boxing Day,
Boxing Day, what are you a Brisitsh subject!
Joe we fought that war and won.
Let's not forget Obists Days of Atonement.
.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:50 am
by Joe Whisman
Jim,
we are only 30 miles away from Canada. How about a little respect and understanding to our neighbors across the lake? We are all about being inclusive. Do I sense an anti-Canadian sentiment here?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:26 am
by Ryan Salo
Last time I checked all of the celebrations you listed were not genetic dispositions that make us do something. I am really amazed how people want it both ways, it is genetic but celebrate my choice.
BTW have you noticed how most of the religious holidays are being removed by the same group fighting for gay pride week? Most public schools are too afraid to even call it Christmas or Easter break anymore. It seems to only be Christian views though, when was the last time a kid got in trouble for mocking another students belief in Christ, but put a ham sandwich in front of a Muslim and you should be expelled. Not only do people want it both ways on genetic vs choice but they want to celebrate their view and shut down the established view.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:39 am
by dl meckes
Ryan Salo wrote:... it is genetic but celebrate my choice.
So we shouldn't have Black History Month (and by the way, interracial marriages were still banned until 1967). That change challenged "established views."
Evidently we shouldn't be celebrating Mothers' and Fathers' days either because that's regulated by genetic predisposition and is also a choice.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:44 am
by michael gill
Ryan,
You said those holidays are not marking "genetic dispositions that make us do something."
Actually I think being black or white or yellow is passed on through genes. I am white. So are my mom and dad. I don't think there was any choice in the matter.
So what do you think of Black History Month? Should the Government get out of that business?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:47 am
by Lynn Farris
Ryan, you bring up a great point about celebrating religious holidays. There is no easy answer. I grew up in a Jewish community. At Christmas time our schools answer was we had to sing as many Hanukkah songs as Christmas ones. (There aren't that many Hanukkah songs!) But I did understand my friends feelings about having Christianity shoved down their throats.
I on the other hand was willing to take everyone's holiday off of school
But I couldn't convince my mom of that.
I guess we have 3 options:
1) Celebrate everyone's religious holidays
2) Celebrate no one's religious holiday
3) Celebrate only the religious holidays for which the majority of the population (or some % are believers.) - realizing you are offending the minorities.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:50 am
by Ryan Salo
OK folks, this was a response to Joe's post, he didn't mention Black history month or anything that wasn't a choice. I know there are celebrations for things that are genetic, I was just responding to his post.
My point was, at least I thought, clear that there seems to be a double standard in everything. "It is genetic but support my choice" and "I want freedom to offend others, but don't you dare offend me"
Maybe people on this post just don't see it because they think that way. The old saying pigs don't know pigs stink?
I will admit to looking through a filter at life but why can't others?
Anyone want to comment on the ham sandwich true life example I gave?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:26 am
by Holly C. Whisman
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Joe Whisman wrote:Boxing Day,
Boxing Day, what are you a Brisitsh subject!
Joe we fought that war and won.
Let's not forget Obists Days of Atonement.
.
Maybe we should come up with a holiday for every day of the year, with the exception of printing days for the Observer. Sorry, Jim, we can't let you off that easily.
PS Do we get boxing gloves for boxing day? Maybe if we just duked it out in the streets, we could resolve this conflict.
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:42 am
by michael gill
"Pigs don't know pigs stink."
Thanks, Ryan. That was colorful, and earthy.
Just exactly who is it that is looking for the freedom to offend?
What does someone else's non-violent, private behavior have to do with you, and how could it possibly offend? When two guys get together in a bedroom, what happens to you?
Is there some proselytizing going on here? Some effort to convert, or change someone else's behavior?
If so, where is that coming from?
And why is it that the only people who knock on my door attempting to convince me of their magic are mormons or baptists, or politicians?
I can honestly say I've never had a homosexual walk up on my Ward One porch and try to make me a convert.
Who wants the right to offend?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:10 am
by dl meckes
michael gill wrote:Just exactly who is it that is looking for the freedom to offend?
The poster who wrote,
Pigs don't know pigs stink.