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PRESERVATION ALERT. A stately lakefront home constructed in 1912 may be demolished to make way for a cluster housing development. Located at 13474 Edgewater Drive, near Homewood, the 4,300 square foot home has a soaring foyer, grand staircase, conservatory, 4 bedrooms and 4 1/2 baths and hardwood floors. It is sited on a 2.6 acre parcel with a winding driveway and long lawn extending south to Edgewater Drive.

At a recent meeting at Emerson Elementary School neighbors listened to an introductory proposal to construct fourteen homes on the property, while tearing down the 1912 home.

According to news reports, ownership of the property was recently conveyed to mortgage lenders, after being owned for three decades by Bill and Marla Heideloff. Currently it is listed for sale at $994,900. Both Bill and Marla Heideloff served terms as Lakewood Historical Society Trustees and and Marla served as Board President. Visitors to the home report that it has been well cared-for and its historical integrity respected.

The house is sometimes referred to as the "Sly Mansion." Wilfred Sly, the original owner of the home, achieved local notoriety when he and his business partner were robbed and killed on West 47th Street on the last day of 1920, after they had withdrawn their cash payroll from the bank and were returning to their plant. The five assailants fled the city. Persistent police pursuit over 15 years located the killers in Los Angeles, Cleveland, Detroit, Mexico and Italy and brought them to justice.

The housing development plan for the property is in its early stages and the developer has not yet purchased the property. To proceed, variances from the zoning code may be required to allow the construction of the fourteen homes. The Mayor and City Administration haven't yet taken a position on the plan.

An application is being prepared to nominate the structure as an historic property under Lakewood's preservation ordinance. If the Planning Commission were to approve the historic property designation, any exterior changes, or demolition, would have to be approved by the City.

There are very few of the early twentieth century estates on large lakefront lots remaining in Lakewood. Once the house and its setting are gone, they are irreplaceable.

As we learn additional information, we will pass it along. 

Please be aware that the Historical Society lost its computer email database in a computer failure. We ask you to forward this to others who you know may be interested. We will be glad to add names to our list if we are given e-mail addresses for those who are interested in our bulletins.  


John S. Pyke Jr.

Once again Lakewoodites are at each others' throats over a plan to develop. This time
Edgewater Dr. east of Lakewood Park. As usual there is much speculation, followed by little
in the way of long reaching vision or depth at what is being pushed by the mayor, and his
administration. To the mayor's credit, this one is at least in his backyard, and it is the heat
from his neighbors and supporters causing the neighborhood to erupt in flame.

Image
13474 Edgewater, one of Lakewood's last remaining stately mansions on the lake. For
some reason, something I would lay on the feet of all of the past administrations if this
lot was in Cleveland, Rocky River, or Bay it would be snapped up for a couple million.
Here in Lakewood with what is described by many as a city on the edge, it sits empty
at under one million, and is quickly falling apart.

One of the first things to come to mind is why doesn't the Lakewood Historical Society
snatch it up and save it. While a tremendous idea, the LHS has neither the funds of the
will to save this. Just as it came up dreadfully short of funding for the Lombardo House
which sits with a for sale sign on it, less than two football fields away. It would be a grand
house for the Historical Society that could have wonderful, celebrations on the grounds
year round. Perhaps even moving the Oldest Stone House there for a final resting place,
but, it is t best a dream. If it could not come up with the small fee for the Hall/Holkcamp Home
on Detroit, If it has a hard time raising money to keep the Nicholson home sound, and it
is currently working overtime to put a roof on the Oldest Stone House, I do not see it ever
figuring into this mansion. If for some reason you see this as I do as tragic, then join the
Historical Society today, and give with an open heart. Otherwise, please settle down.

So the master plan, and I use that term very loosely because Lakewood has no master
plan for any aspect of this city, is to shovel it off to a developer that is willing to turn this
lot not into one of the many $2-$5 million dollar homes sprouting up along the lake, but
into a series of modest $300,000 homes in a cluster development, much like Captain's
Cove over in Clifton Beach, which was built on one of the true last great homes in
Lakewood, the Dearborn Mansion. This development also was met with much talk about
"crappy little insignificant homes" as the person living next to them once told me, on a
magnificent piece of property. Possibly she was correct, but I have been in a couple of
them and they are as nice inside as any other home in Lakewood.

Image
... there has been at least on unit for sale for the past three years.

But there is a much larger issue than a developer buying prime Lakefront property in
Lakewood for 1/2 the price it should be worth. Sweetheart deal? I am not the one to say,
what I am willing to say is that this will have a massive impact on the neighborhood and
the city. Is it worth the gamble? Again I cannot say, but we do have proof, of a much safer
gamble that pays much bigger dividends.

First the domino theory. When this piece of land falls, as it surely will, it will cause the
development on that lot, and...

Image
This property was bought by a women who had hopes of putting 10 cluster homes on it.
The city has repeatedly told her no. They would not change the codes for the neighborhoods.
The woman was so mad she complained of racism, and stonewalling. So first thing is this
other house will also fall. As one resident said to me, "Who cares, it is crappy 60's
styling." Maybe so, and maybe the other is magnificent, though I haven't been inside it
for years. But this would negate the "ruin the neighborhood" debate that has gone
through the area. If it's okay to tear down the one with crappy 60's styling, for cluster
homes, then cluster homes won't ruin the neighborhood, right? I mean the only people
who think less of Captain's Cove are the neighbors, everyone else thinks it is part of Clifton Beach.

And then...

Image
All to what gain? To get more higher paying taxpayers into Lakewood? To take land and
make better use?

This is a guess at best, why not look at working towards what works in Lakewood? Either
enlarge the Gold Coast, with help from Lakewood, or start to work to rebuild the Gold
Coast. The first 4 apartments in from Highland Ave. are also "crappy 60s" styling where
apartments had little windows, and cramped areas. Why not provide some stimulus there,
to kick off 60 story condos? Build one more to the west, and we could end up with 120
units that range between $160,000 - $2 million or more. This is not as much as a gamble
as Cluster Homes, that are simply not the style in Lakewood, have never been the style,
and have driven the Historical Society nuts for decades. Change for the sake of change or
even worse, some bullet points on some campaign literature, is the what Lakewood needs for its future.

A plan, an idea, with some variation.

Image
Or else this foreclosed home in Clifton Park, will be the next location of those cluster
homes, best left to the middle of a faceless farm area.

FWIW
Jim O'Bryan
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More of the snail mail and email.

Hi all,

I am forwarding an email I sent yesterday to Dru Siley, Director of Plannning and Development for the City of Lakewood following a meeting I had with him regarding the home at 13474 Edgewater Drive. This property is currently owned by an LLC tied to Parkview Federal Savings and Loan. A developer has approached the City and Parkview and presented a plan to demolish the home and the carriage house (also on the property) and replace it with 14, first-floor bedroom homes. Yes, 14! Bottom line: Parkview and the developer are deciding what to do with one of the few mansions we have left on this stretch of Edgewater Drive. 

There is at least one other potential buyer (currently living in Strongsville and an LHS graduate) who would buy it as their principal family residence who would prefer not to get into a bidding war with a developer who has deeper pockets. It is possible that a decision in favor of the developer by Parkview Federal will be made before the end of this week. Additional thoughts on alternative Lakewood locations for this type of development are included in my email below.

If you are so inclined, please let Mayor Summers know your thoughts. Our goal is to quickly facilitate a meeting with Parkview Federal Savings and Loan before they make a decision which dooms one of the few remaining mansions we have left. There is a sense of urgency on this.

Jeff

PS. If you prefer not receive updated correspondence on this subject, please let me know and I will remove your name from my list.

--
Jeffery A. Weber

1095 Homewood Drive
Lakewood, Ohio 44107


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> Hi Dru,
>
> Thanks for the open and frank conversation this morning. Naturally, I'm dismayed with the prospect of losing another Lakefront mansion. Even though this one isn't as grand as some that we have lost...it is part of our heritage and I believe absolutely worth saving. We should not repeat the "sins of the past".
>
> I also know Lakewood needs this type of development, I just wish we could encourage developers (maybe even financially) to look at properties other than lakefront ones such as Heideloff and Munson. Taft and Grant schools come to mind, in part because these properties are owned by the City of Lakewood.
>
> Anything you can do to encourage Parkview Federal Savings and Loan to accept alternative offers before accepting the first bid since their ownership would be appreciated. Especially if the offer is one that keeps the home in tact; or alternatively, incorporates it into the redevelopment. I believe this encouragement from City Hall might have a positive impact on Parkview; and is keeping with the goals of the City to maintain it's wonderful, historic housing stock. 
>
> Once these mansions are gone...it is forever.
>
> Again thanks.
>
> Jeff
> --
> Jeffery A. Weber
>
> 1095 Homewood Drive
> Lakewood, Ohio 44107
Jim O'Bryan
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http://www.conwaygreene.com/Lakewood/lp ... -h.htm&2.0

1134.03 PROCEDURES FOR IDENTIFICATION, REVIEW AND DESIGNATION OF AN HPD OR HP OR LANDMARKS

One of the things that appeals to people about Lakewood is the mix of residential opportunities.

Lakewood has many districts that have distinct identities and qualities. They are worth identifying and preserving. The diversity of housing we have is unique.

I believe the school board may have some property to sell - heck, there's a development along the river that has gone nowhere for a while. I childishly wish the developer could be lured in a different direction.

What, as citizens of Lakewood, can we do to address issues like these?
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Jim O'Bryan wrote:PRESERVATION ALERT. A stately lakefront home constructed in 1912 may be demolished to make way for a cluster housing development. Located at 13474 Edgewater Drive, near Homewood, the 4,300 square foot home has a soaring foyer, grand staircase, conservatory, 4 bedrooms and 4 1/2 baths and hardwood floors. It is sited on a 2.6 acre parcel with a winding driveway and long lawn extending south to Edgewater Drive.

At a recent meeting at Emerson Elementary School neighbors listened to an introductory proposal to construct fourteen homes on the property, while tearing down the 1912 home.

According to news reports, ownership of the property was recently conveyed to mortgage lenders, after being owned for three decades by Bill and Marla Heideloff. Currently it is listed for sale at $994,900. Both Bill and Marla Heideloff served terms as Lakewood Historical Society Trustees and and Marla served as Board President. Visitors to the home report that it has been well cared-for and its historical integrity respected.

The house is sometimes referred to as the "Sly Mansion." Wilfred Sly, the original owner of the home, achieved local notoriety when he and his business partner were robbed and killed on West 47th Street on the last day of 1920, after they had withdrawn their cash payroll from the bank and were returning to their plant. The five assailants fled the city. Persistent police pursuit over 15 years located the killers in Los Angeles, Cleveland, Detroit, Mexico and Italy and brought them to justice.

The housing development plan for the property is in its early stages and the developer has not yet purchased the property. To proceed, variances from the zoning code may be required to allow the construction of the fourteen homes. The Mayor and City Administration haven't yet taken a position on the plan.

An application is being prepared to nominate the structure as an historic property under Lakewood's preservation ordinance. If the Planning Commission were to approve the historic property designation, any exterior changes, or demolition, would have to be approved by the City.

There are very few of the early twentieth century estates on large lakefront lots remaining in Lakewood. Once the house and its setting are gone, they are irreplaceable.

As we learn additional information, we will pass it along. 

Please be aware that the Historical Society lost its computer email database in a computer failure. We ask you to forward this to others who you know may be interested. We will be glad to add names to our list if we are given e-mail addresses for those who are interested in our bulletins.  


John S. Pyke Jr.

Once again Lakewoodites are at each others' throats over a plan to develop. This time
Edgewater Dr. east of Lakewood Park. As usual there is much speculation, followed by little
in the way of long reaching vision or depth at what is being pushed by the mayor, and his
administration. To the mayor's credit, this one is at least in his backyard, and it is the heat
from his neighbors and supporters causing the neighborhood to erupt in flame.

Image
13474 Edgewater, one of Lakewood's last remaining stately mansions on the lake. For
some reason, something I would lay on the feet of all of the past administrations if this
lot was in Cleveland, Rocky River, or Bay it would be snapped up for a couple million.
Here in Lakewood with what is described by many as a city on the edge, it sits empty
at under one million, and is quickly falling apart.

One of the first things to come to mind is why doesn't the Lakewood Historical Society
snatch it up and save it. While a tremendous idea, the LHS has neither the funds of the
will to save this. Just as it came up dreadfully short of funding for the Lombardo House
which sits with a for sale sign on it, less than two football fields away. It would be a grand
house for the Historical Society that could have wonderful, celebrations on the grounds
year round. Perhaps even moving the Oldest Stone House there for a final resting place,
but, it is t best a dream. If it could not come up with the small fee for the Hall/Holkcamp Home
on Detroit, If it has a hard time raising money to keep the Nicholson home sound, and it
is currently working overtime to put a roof on the Oldest Stone House, I do not see it ever
figuring into this mansion. If for some reason you see this as I do as tragic, then join the
Historical Society today, and give with an open heart. Otherwise, please settle down.

So the master plan, and I use that term very loosely because Lakewood has no master
plan for any aspect of this city, is to shovel it off to a developer that is willing to turn this
lot not into one of the many $2-$5 million dollar homes sprouting up along the lake, but
into a series of modest $300,000 homes in a cluster development, much like Captain's
Cove over in Clifton Beach, which was built on one of the true last great homes in
Lakewood, the Dearborn Mansion. This development also was met with much talk about
"crappy little insignificant homes" as the person living next to them once told me, on a
magnificent piece of property. Possibly she was correct, but I have been in a couple of
them and they are as nice inside as any other home in Lakewood.

Image
... there has been at least on unit for sale for the past three years.

But there is a much larger issue than a developer buying prime Lakefront property in
Lakewood for 1/2 the price it should be worth. Sweetheart deal? I am not the one to say,
what I am willing to say is that this will have a massive impact on the neighborhood and
the city. Is it worth the gamble? Again I cannot say, but we do have proof, of a much safer
gamble that pays much bigger dividends.

First the domino theory. When this piece of land falls, as it surely will, it will cause the
development on that lot, and...

Image
This property was bought by a women who had hopes of putting 10 cluster homes on it.
The city has repeatedly told her no. They would not change the codes for the neighborhoods.
The woman was so mad she complained of racism, and stonewalling. So first thing is this
other house will also fall. As one resident said to me, "Who cares, it is crappy 60's
styling." Maybe so, and maybe the other is magnificent, though I haven't been inside it
for years. But this would negate the "ruin the neighborhood" debate that has gone
through the area. If it's okay to tear down the one with crappy 60's styling, for cluster
homes, then cluster homes won't ruin the neighborhood, right? I mean the only people
who think less of Captain's Cove are the neighbors, everyone else thinks it is part of Clifton Beach.

And then...

Image
All to what gain? To get more higher paying taxpayers into Lakewood? To take land and
make better use?

This is a guess at best, why not look at working towards what works in Lakewood? Either
enlarge the Gold Coast, with help from Lakewood, or start to work to rebuild the Gold
Coast. The first 4 apartments in from Highland Ave. are also "crappy 60s" styling where
apartments had little windows, and cramped areas. Why not provide some stimulus there,
to kick off 60 story condos? Build one more to the west, and we could end up with 120
units that range between $160,000 - $2 million or more. This is not as much as a gamble
as Cluster Homes, that are simply not the style in Lakewood, have never been the style,
and have driven the Historical Society nuts for decades. Change for the sake of change or
even worse, some bullet points on some campaign literature, is the what Lakewood needs for its future.

A plan, an idea, with some variation.

Image
Or else this foreclosed home in Clifton Park, will be the next location of those cluster
homes, best left to the middle of a faceless farm area.

FWIW


Hello Jim,

Just how long has this house,13474 Edgewater Drive, been vacant?

When was Kirtland Lane developed and what stood in its place prior to development? (If you know)

When was Edgewater Lane developed and what stood in its place prior to development? (If you know)

Wouldn't you agree that Mayor Summers has a duty to listen to this proposal?

I do believe that, only 11 or 12 homes can be built on the proposed site- due to density issues for that size lot. This would alter the developer's original plan and may alter the feasibility of the plan, due to economics for the developer.

Maybe we can name the whole gosh darn city as historical....Lakewood, a historic city that has (now) GONE OVER THE EDGE. That's Cool!

Scott
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Kirltand Lane, a development of sixteen homes, replaced the Theodor Kundtz mansion, which was torn down in 1961.
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For more information go to the Lakewood Historical Society site hosted by the Lakewood Public Library.....
http://lakewoodhistory.org/kundtz/.

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Also check out this site: http://www.lkwdpl.org/lore/ and look down left side for Kuntz information.
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That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
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And put up a parking lot"
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13474 Edgewater Drive - Wilfred Sly residence
Description Residence of Wilfred C. Sly, President of the W. W. Sly Manufacturing Co. Original address was 13474 Lake Ave
1920 ca.
"Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot"
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Jim O'Bryan wrote:If for some reason you see this as I do as tragic, then join the
Historical Society today, and give with an open heart.


My family has benefitted directly from programming funded by the Lakewood Historical Society in recent years, but it was your suggestion that prompted me to take the step and become a member. I hope others do the same. Thanks for the nudge.
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Here is more information: http://www.lakewoodmuseumstore.com/newsletter-articles.

You can join on line at our website www.lakewoodmuseumstore.com. Jim has kindly hosted this site for us for many years! Thank you Jim! And thank you all!

Please join.

Rhonda
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Thank you Meg for becoming a member at our online site: www.lakewoodmuseumstore.com. Click membership on the left side to see the membership levels.

Rhonda
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Serious question--aren't nearly all the homes on Homewood, Parkside, Nicholson, etc. --even Lake and Edgewater-- the result of torn down or sold off mansions, mostly a result of the Great Depression? Do the mayor and the letter writer live in properties that were once part of great mansions and their lands?
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More photos from this past weekend as I "creepy crawled" the property with the approval of the realtors.

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A small part of the backyard.

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from the back fence.

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Butler's house, and tennis courts.

More photos at: http://lakewoodobserver.com/photoblogs/jim-obryan/the-heideloff-house-on-a-gray-winter-day


More to follow...




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From comment above:
"Serious question--aren't nearly all the homes on Homewood, Parkside, Nicholson, etc. --even Lake and Edgewater-- the result of torn down or sold off mansions, mostly a result of the Great Depression? Do the mayor and the letter writer live in properties that were once part of great mansions and their lands?"
____________________________________________________

Me:
This leads to unanswerable questions. Many irreplaceable mansions were lost in the name of progress and development ... is this good or bad? Depends on your point of view. As a preservationist, I think the raw number of homes lost to the wrecking ball in Lakewood over the past 50 years is appalling. All the evidence you need is contained in Historical Society slideshows. Others would feel differently/would not care. Who's right?

Another unanswerable question: is the fact that one is left a reason champion its preservation, or send it down the dumpster with the rest of them? As a preservationist I hope our side at least gets a voice, but, as the recent razing of Hall House proves, money and ownership generally trump preservation.

BTW, where is the parking lot that was promised?
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Hi,
This parcel is way undervalued on the Tax records and still the MONTHLY property tax is $1400/mo. I assume that once it's sold they will revise it up. That is a lot of money to part with monthly. I believe that will be about what the property tax would be also for each of the 14 units built. If they get built and sold. I don't see how the City or schools would oppose it.

Of course, if they follow on the footsteps of the failed Foran development on Sloan then both the City and Schools could lose $1400/mo. Someone suggested the development go there and I would see that as a win-win deal that the City should offer incentives to see that mistake fixed.

My daughter and I suggested several serious ways to bolster property tax revenues in Lakewood. Neither were acted upon so we see a continued cannibalization of what we all love of Lakewood.

My former home in Lakewood is just as beautiful (well almost) as it was when we sold it just a couple of years ago. Yet it's value (according to Zillow) has dropped an amazing 25% in that short time. I hope if this development does go through the new homeowners do not find they lose value at a similar rate. But without the City taking any serious action why would it be different?

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