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Stephen Eisel
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Obamacare to Create 16k New Jobs Bad news-They're IRS Agent

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Good News: Obamacare to Create 16,500 New Jobs! (Bad news-They're IRS Agents!)

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/20 ... -new-jobs/

(A) new analysis by Republican staffers on the Joint Economic and the House Ways & Means Committees estimates the IRS will have to hire an additional 16,500 workers to "collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the (health care) 'reconciliation' bill."

Mark Steyn writes:

This will be the biggest expansion of the IRS since World War II - and that's change you can believe in. This is what "health" "care" "reform" boils down to: Fewer doctors, longer wait times but more bureaucrats.

Steyn paints a bleak picture of a future under Obamacare.

From now on, it gets worse. If you have children, they'll live in smaller homes, drive smaller cars, live smaller lives. If you don't have children, you had better hope your neighbors do, because someone needs to spawn a working population large enough to pay for the unsustainable entitlements the Obama party has suckered you into thinking you're entitled to.

Actually, even if Obamacare never becomes law, we’d better hope for a larger working age population. But Obamacare is certainly likely to make the deficits explode sooner.

We need less government, with smaller budgets, fewer agencies and vastly reduced numbers of public-sector union employees on less lavish remuneration.
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Re: Obamacare to Create 16k New Jobs Bad news-They're IRS Agent

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I'm down. I work for a major health care major health care organization. when you dump this many more people (via free market tides or obomacare) the demand for what I do will increse.

There are 3 major health care organizations in cleveland. Logic dictates, we get alot of thoes new folks. Some poor and not so healthly, but the majority young and healthy.

Since we are in the mood to be selfish... I win.
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Stephen, how many would you guess Caterpillar will need to lay off to fill that $100 million gap that they said they'd have if this bill passed?

I don't know, I think we'll have a net loss.
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Well there goes all of you shopping at WalMart.
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sharon kinsella wrote:Well there goes all of you shopping at WalMart.

So much for choice... huh.. your party's true colors are showing and they are not pretty.. just sayin :wink: :lol:
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I wonder if you guys were saying "No" to all the spending during the Clinton years, which created 23 million jobs and reigned in a surplus...

23 million new jobs in 8 years is pretty good, better than the 4 million in George W.'s 8 years.

4 million in 8 years? Hey, the CBO estimated that the stimulus money from 2009 has created 2.1 million new jobs, which is half of the amount of Bush's new jobs in 1/8 of the time...and that's with the largest recession in 70 years in the way. Bush had the largest surplus in history when he came into office.

Bush Sr. was able to give a 7.5% unemployment rate to President Clinton in his first term year, and the unemployment rate was cut in half from the first year Clinton took office to the year 2000. Bush Jr. then took a 4.0% unemployment rate, and increased it every year, all the way up to 6.7% in 2007, and higher, until President Obama was left to work with a 10-11% unemployment rate in 2008.

Barack Obama was elected to create jobs, pass health care reform, education reform, immigration and cap and trade legislature. That's what he promised in his campaign, and he was overwhelmingly elected on those promises. So far he has created half the amount of jobs that President Bush has created in his 8 years, has passed health care reform with over 200 Republican amendments in the bill, has announced plans for a new education plan, and will most likely finish immigration reform and cap and trade legislation by the end of his first term. Have we gotten so used to having a President that hides out at his ranch and practices his golf swing when he should be making phone calls and doing his job, that it scares people when new legislation actually gets passed in this Congress of ours? Have we forgotten what it's like to have a President that actually delivers?

All I know is that the majority of voters elected President Obama so that he delivers on the promises he made during the campaign, and he so far he is walking the walk. There is a reason why all major reforms have been passed with a Democrat in the Oval Office, and it has nothing to do with expansion of government, socialism, fascism, communism, or totalitarianism. There is also a reason why every Republican since the Nixon-Ford era has seen a constant increase in the unemployment rate, while every Democrat has seen a constant decrease.The Democrats have historically been the party of progress, while the Republicans have been the party of quoting past President's and doing the same thing over and over again. America is constantly changing and evolving, and if we don't have leadership and ideas that evolve alongside the ever-changing land, this country wouldn't work. Life's much different now than it was 200 years ago, or even during the Reagan era. Reaganomics was an innovative movement 30 years ago, but unfortunately it's out of date.

The Republican party views Reagan as a hero, even though his years in office had the same unemployment rate that Obama had when he entered office (almost 11% at it's highest, and averaged 8% throughout his 8 years). He was able to create 18 million new jobs by the time he exited the Oval Office.

So while the Republicans "fear" our current President, it is worthy to point out that our current President faces the same challenges that Reagan faced when he came into office in 1981, and our current President has taken more action in his first term year than Reagan did. While our current President isn't using the "trickle-down" economic theory like Reagan, he is funding innovative ideas to lay a foundation for the next few decades. Create new kinds of jobs, that will move America towards competing internationally with the nations who leaped ahead in the past 8 years of regression in the ideas department.

Until the Republican party can stop looking back in time for ideas, their leaders will never get anything significant and lasting done. Our country will prosper if we have both parties looking ahead, being innovative, instead of having one party trying to go back in time, when the other wants to tackle tomorrow's challenges head on. America was founded on fresh ideas, and people moved here because it was a new start with new principles and new opportunities. How can we keep those principles and ideas modern if we're quoting dead President's ideas election after election?
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The pundits are saying that Democrats should be worried about the coming elections, but I'm not sure that is true.

Entitlement programs are like a cancer. You don't even know you have it at first, and it takes, often, many years to advance to the terminal stages. When Socalled Security started, I'm sure there was griping about the wage witholdings, but they were very low and people got used to them. It was only decades later that the Ponzi scheme nature of the program became apparent, and some deny even today that there are impending shortfalls beyond what most of us can comprehend. So who can even remember who voted for the initial scheme? There was certainly no dramatic change in the composition of the congress, and many people went to their graves, with our money, believing that FDR saved the nation. Medicare and medicaid were much the same. A little griping at the increased payroll taxes, but we got used to them, and it took decades for the true costs of these programs to be revealed.

From a quick scan of the current scheme, it appears that most of us will have an increase in the cost of our medical coverage due to the increased coverages that are mandated (somewhat like the unfunded mandates of the No Child Left Behind law), but the true costs of the scheme have been levied on our children, as it is funded largely with borrowed money that will some day have to be repaid, unless you are gullible enough to believe that anything will actually be done to bring down costs. When Obama went on tour blaming the high costs of health care on the insurance companies, and proposed a solution of more insurance, no one questioned him, so now we start to pay the price.
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Ivor, Bill Clinton was not responsible for the dot com boom. He had nothing to do with creating jobs in the private sector. It was individuals and companies who took risk and created all of those jobs in the 90's and 2000's. He had no skin in the game and did not create a single job in the 1990's.


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