Bush Whitehouse claims CNN not real news. Riots in streets

[Ryan Salo]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10 ... interview/

Could imagine the outcry if Bush really did this to CNN or even MSNBC?

Silence those that question you, that is Obama's agenda, get ready for more, I am sure it is coming...

[Brian Pedaci]

If he wanted to silence them, he'd take away their FCC license. The Bush administration routinely gave exclusive interviews to Fox and Fox alone. Lack of access doesn't impede freedom of the press.

[ryan costa]

all the white house did is admit Fox News is junk. Nobody impinged on Fox News' right to continue being junk.

Rupert Murdoch is a smart guy. his television network gave us In Living Colour, Martin, Married with Children, Living Single. His "news network" gave us total crap.

Men want most to hear lies. that is what Fox News is for.

Republican-Pundits dishonest, inaccurate, and historical reaction to the White House's direct appraisal of Fox News is further proof of right wing dishonesty. The lies spewed forth by Fox News become the knowledge base of many Republican Voters and much of the libertarian vogue.

In a complicated maneuver, right wing pundits began comparing the White House's criticism of Fox News to Richard Nixon's enemies list. despite there being no Obama Enemies list, it did not take long for right wingers to claim or strongly imply that Barack Obama has an Enemies List just like Richard Nixon!

[Roy Pitchford]

all the white house did is admit Fox News is junk. Nobody impinged on Fox News' right to continue being junk.

Men want most to hear lies. that is what Fox News is for.

Republican-Pundits dishonest, inaccurate, and historical reaction to the White House's direct appraisal of Fox News is further proof of right wing dishonesty. The lies spewed forth by Fox News become the knowledge base of many Republican Voters and much of the libertarian vogue.

Why do you automatically assume that what Fox News puts out are lies?

[Roy Pitchford]

It appears I can't edit...I realize I should add a second question:

Why do you automatically assume that the other networks aren't in the bag for the Obama administration?

[ryan costa]

all the white house did is admit Fox News is junk. Nobody impinged on Fox News' right to continue being junk.

Men want most to hear lies. that is what Fox News is for.

Republican-Pundits dishonest, inaccurate, and historical reaction to the White House's direct appraisal of Fox News is further proof of right wing dishonesty. The lies spewed forth by Fox News become the knowledge base of many Republican Voters and much of the libertarian vogue.

Why do you automatically assume that what Fox News puts out are lies?

All of my encounters with Fox News have been of Fox News being Facetious, misleading, and dishonest when dealing with political parties, office holders, economics. It is like watching a World Wrestling Entertainment program: you know the words are fake, but some of the bruises are real. Fox News is bruising America.

I've only watched it when i was visiting people who watched it. or when it was playing in an office, waiting room, lobby, sports-bar/chain restaurants, etc. This happened a lot in the sprawl-lands of Columbus. It was everywhere. the only times it wasn't Fox News was when a Maury Povich show featuring "Not the Father" episodes was on. One time a friend invited me to his gym. the one day guest passes were cheap. In front of the array of treadmills were an array of cable televisions. most of them were tuned to Fox News.

I know Fox News is trash because it is the home of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Jon Stossel.

I do not watch CNN or the other Cable News Networks. I occasionally read columns by/or about Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Stephen Moore, and others in Newspapers when they are laying around. Usually USA Today, Wall Street Journal, etc. I try to read National Geographic, Time Magazine, Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, Discover Magazine, occasionally the science Journal "Nature" when I can find it, and the Smithsonian.

Occasionally I will go to cnn.com, but generally avoid the politics section and economics section there.

I know that news networks that have many commentators favorable to the "tea party"ers are trash because The Rich pay lower taxes than they did in the 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, and 1940s. even if the Obama administration's present tax plans go through, the rich will still pay lower taxes than they did in the 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, and 1940s.

Nobody raised taxes on most Americans and small businesses more than the Reagan Administration.

[Roy Pitchford]

With all due respect, Mr. Costa, you are a liar. Now granted, I've never met you and we typed things just a handful of times on this board. I've also had conversations with Mr. DeVito, Mr. O'Brien and I enjoy the honest conversations with Mr. Rice.

I also hate all Indian food. I've only tried it once in my entire life, but I didn't like what I had, so I can't possibly like Indian food.

Do you see my point?
I personally cannot take your comments about Fox News seriously when you say you rarely watch cable news.

If you're taught all your life that 2+2=5, and I tell you that its 4, am I lying to you?

[ryan costa]

The Fox News trickles down. their top guys glenn beck and hannity and limbaugh trickle down into print media, weblinks, etc.

I've seen plenty of the telecasts/cablecasts/web videos of it in the past. I cannot imagine any of it has changed significantly since then. has it changed significantly since then?

my most frequent encounters with it were when my roommate watched it frequently.
I've encountered Fox News far often than once.

"If you're taught all your life that 2+2=5, and I tell you that its 4, am I lying to you?"
You are the first person to suggest I believe 2+2=5. i do not know how that is any analogy or metaphor. Now it is too late for me to use that phrase on you.

I voted for Bob Dole in 1996. I voted for Bush in our class pretend elections in 1988 and 1992. i was once kicked out of art class for saying democrats wanted to raise taxes and put people on welfare. I wrote in ross perot in 2000 and 2004.

I try Indian food a few times a year. Less than I watched fox news when I encountered cable television often. i've liked Indian Food about 30 percent of the time, but I keep trying it.

I do not watch television at all now, other than at bars. I'm tempted to get a digital receiver just to watch the new Jay Leno show and Lost, but I'm usually asleep before 10 anyways. I try to follow the Tourettes Guy videos and Iron Chef reruns on youtube.

The primary television news i did watch was 60 Minutes and Fox 8 in the morning. I especially enjoy the Andy Rooney segments.

I read the Atlantic once in a while. that is the closest to a political magazine that I read. Like most of the others I listed, I by no means read it every month or exhaustively. I read business week more frequently than the Atlantic. I enjoyed following stories in Reader's Digest quite a bit when I was younger.

I got an earful when commercials for popular "conservative" radio hosts kept airing on other stations. the only quote I can remember was Dr.Laura proclaiming something like "I am so sick of this bashing of the American Spirit". whatever that means.

The Bush-Cheney regime regularly dismissed critics as being "from the liberal media". I don't know how specific they intended to be.

The Bush-Cheney regime regularly deflected criticism of themselves to criticism of "The Troops".

The reasons for not invading Iraq were clearly explained by George Herbert Walker Bush and Colin Powell, among others. Once Cheney invaded Iraq, Jay Garner told him what needed to be done, and they fired him.

the blatant dishonesty of the top "Right" folks is pretty consistent and amazing. you can find plenty of quotes from Alan Greenspan disparaging fiat currency and something he calls "statism". but no one in the 20th century did more to expand Fiat Currency than Alan Greenspan. just keep lowering interest rates and tinkering with required reserve ratios. As my conservative economics professor explained, federal interest rates and required reserve ratios mitigate how quickly private sector banks "create money". I'm not criticising you in this: odds are we are both nowhere near the top.

Where were the Tea Partyers on March 18th, 2003?

It might have gone down like this:

March 18th, 2003: a band of Americans are marching in Washington D.C. they are waving picket signs and calling themselves a tea party.

They stop in front of the White house.

Rob Smith gets on his bullhorn: "invading Iraq will cost 2 trillion dollars. maybe 3 trillion!"

George Herbert Walker Bush: "incurred incalculable human and political costs.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq."

Mary Rakovich: "$650,000,000 for DTV coupons!? This is Obama's fault, even though the legislation for it was pretty much set in stone from 2005 to 2007! Give me a Break!".

Dick Armey: "i want to divorce my wife and marry a college student"

William K. Black: "we've got to fight the battle on subprime and prime loan liar loan tycoons and its resultant foreclosure crisis"

Jude Wanniski: "Mr. Bush has become an imperialist — one whose decisions as commander-in-chief have made the world a more dangerous place. Inspectors have found no weapons of mass destruction for years. The U.S. has consistently been maneuvering for war".

theodore roosevelt junior: "we'll have to raise taxes on the rich and corporations if we invade Iraq. just like in nearly every other war we've been in".

There is a sound of gunfire and helicopters.

Dick Cheney approaches and speaks through a microphone.

Dick Cheney: "All I am hearing..Is a litany of Complaints!"

Colin Powell answers him: "What about Afghanistan? what if we end up still in Afghanistan 7 years from now? That would be a lot of dithering".

Dick Cheney: "I will use the word 'Dithering' first. that way no one can accuse us of dithering. also, you are a fag!"

Anne Coulter steps in to chastise the tea partyers.

Anne Coulter: "you are all communists. you've been brainwashed by the liberal media. you want America to lose."

Rob Smith: "I'm sorry Anne! I am not a communist!"

Jack Abramoff: "fall in line, or you will be out of the clique. We've got deals going on all over town. get on the fast track, or we will throw you off".

Rob smith:"alright, i will"

[Roy Pitchford]

The Fox News trickles down. their top guys glenn beck and hannity and limbaugh trickle down into print media, weblinks, etc.

Any news broken by Fox News (ACORN tapes, Van Jones, etc.) is trickling down (which seems to imply they are at the top...nice of you to compliment them) to the rest of the media because everyone else is failing to report it.
That failure could be that they have lost touch with the people they serve and don't understand what news is important.
That failure could be that someone(s) within their ranks has an agenda and they do not wish to put out information damaging to their cause.

2+2=5 is a reference to George Orwell's 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5

[Jim DeVito]

Ray, Or could the reason fox news breaks stories like acorn (stories that hurt the left) is because the people who have the tapes (and the left hating agenda) seek out "news" outlets that share their agenda. That way they can be right wing crusaders buy embarrassing the left. I personally think most of fox news is rubbish, ( that part that has the bill o riley blowhard types anyway) my only point is that the right is not above having agendas to demonize the left. Just as the left ( obama ) is not above having agendas to demonize the right.

[Jim DeVito]

Sorry Ray... I know your name is Roy.

[ryan costa]

if my memory serves me correctly, the ACORN videos were created by stringers for fox news who pretty much intended them to get to FOX news very fast. which is all well and good, even if they presented it shrewishly.

to clarify previous posts that don't really matter: I just listed news periodicals i've read with any kind of regularity during a year for the last few years. 2 or 3 of the science and geography ones somewhat frequently, the others when I am browsing. I by no means read most of the articles in most of them every month. and I sure as don't retain most of the information. The last national columnist I remember reading regularly was Mike Royko, but he was mostly just old and funny by that point: i've already forgotten most of it. but that is the breadth of what I read. which of it is liberal? where is the liberal bias? I will try to avoid the liberal bias.

the magazines are more my pace. most of the daily news adds much urgency and fanfare with little information.

[Roy Pitchford]

Actually, Mr. Costa, the tapes were created by a couple amateur kids and the first tapes were given to Andrew Brietbart. He then recommended that the videos go to Fox News. The New York Times took almost a week to pick up the story.

Mr. DeVito, I will not dispute that each side tends to attack the other, however, will you agree that most of the media leans (to varying degrees) to the left?

[Jim DeVito]

Roy, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are two groups in my view. Ones like fox news and msnbc and the huffpo and others. These groups make no effort to hide their political slant and to me that makes them not real news outlets. Then their are those who may or may not have an agenda but make an effort to appear to not favor one side or the other. ( bbc, npr, any news hour on PBS, I guess you can exclude bill moyers) I guess the point of all that is that fox news is just as rubbish as the huffingon post. Far left and far right I take anything both of them say with a cuyahaga river sized pile of salt.

At the end of the day news is not news unless the viewer believes it. That I think is the problem, Too many people think the words of fox news and the huff po come stright from god's mouth.

[ryan costa]

Actually, Mr. Costa, the tapes were created by a couple amateur kids and the first tapes were given to Andrew Brietbart. He then recommended that the videos go to Fox News. The New York Times took almost a week to pick up the story.

Mr. DeVito, I will not dispute that each side tends to attack the other, however, will you agree that most of the media leans (to varying degrees) to the left?

Hanna Giles was a journalism student. James O'Keefe founded a newspaper. Their work is on the level of Sacha Baron Cohen. the primary difference being that people seem to take it seriously. breitbart.com is a fasttrack to foxnews. it took a week for legitimate news sources to pick up the story because the story was absurd.

It is hard to tell what the "media" leans to, because it is hard to tell what left and right are. they both seem to be very interested in getting people to buy a lot of stuff they don't need. The mark-up comes from how trendy the "branding" is. In this you could say all media is "pro-market". The "right" cannot accuse the "left" of being anti-market or anti-capitalism. Even the Olson twins are supposed to be worth 100 million dollars. WTF. The Little Rascals never made that much money. neither did the Three stooges. despite much higher ticket sales and cumulative tv ratings. I remember working in retail. parents were buying an immense amount of PBS crap: tickle me elmo. barney. blue's clues. and the private sector crap: power rangers, g.i.joe, barbie, etc.

There is a a great push to make groups believe they are "oppressed". whether by the "liberal" media or the blacks or the whites or the protestants or the catholics. then they feel more glorious about being Underdogs on a holy mission. It is easy to tell who the underdogs are and who the dominant dogs are. the dominant dogs are the ones making the most money.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
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