Did Barack Obama Support Infanticide?

[Bill Call]

Infanticide: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infanticide

From Factcheck:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... icide.html

From a nurse:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45553

From one campaign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdWN5WllGc

From another:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/2 ... 20138.html

My only question is a practical one: What do you do with the head?

[Grace O'Malley]

God supports infanticide and filicide.

So is Barack God?

[Jim DeVito]

That's kind of low man.

[Phil Florian]

This is fun stuff. Daily Show made fun of this sort of journalism. FOX News (Fair and Balanced) and likely CNN and other use this technique. The lead in for the story (or in this case, Bill's rant) is to ask a ridiculous question you already know the answer to but do it in a way that implies you don't.

Example: Bill Call Loves Hitler?

In the news world, they would run this along the bottom of the screen in a story. Clearly the answer is "no, he doesn't" but it doesn't matter. People tend to ignore the "?" and just see the fact that Bill Call does, in fact, love Hitler.

It's a good one but if Bill even read his own link at Fact Check Obama does a good job saying, "look, the bill was too broad and would have stopped all abortions" and a he is pro-choice, this would have been wrong.

If I worked in a Democratic Congress in the next session and proposed a bill in committee that says, "Full Support Of The Second Amendment Act" and then added, as often is done, a rider that says "...but in all cases, ammunition in this country is illegal" then Republicans would have a choice: Support the Act and stand for the second amendment or vote NO! because the ridiculous rider.

Which would then turn into a FactCheck.org posting when the Democrats say "John McCain doesn't support the Second Amendment?"

Or Senator Palin, whoever it will be in 2012...maybe she can have Ted Stevens former job. Keep trying, Bill. Only a few more days to go.

[Bill Call]

Example: Bill Call Loves Hitler?

Hmmmmm,,,

Lets say that Bill Call is running for office and it is found that:

In college he stated he sought out "Nazi professors".

His good friend and associate bombed synagogues and ecouraged the killiing of Jews.

That his friend said that Sirhan Sirhan was a hero.

That just a few years ago Bill Call attended a conference that could best be described as a Jew bashing festival and that good old Bill was seen clapping when when Jews were blamed for the worlds problems.

That it was found that Bill was once a member of a neo Nazi party.

Would Phil Florian say, "none of that matters"?

It's a good one but if Bill even read his own link at Fact Check Obama does a good job saying, "look, the bill was too broad and would have stopped all abortions" and a he is pro-choice, this would have been wrong.

The wording in the law was identical to the wording in the federal law. One of the reasons Obama's most common vote was present was because he had to hide who he really is.

Anyway, I still want to know what they do with the head.

[ryan costa]

I ordered a copy of "Achewood: The Great Outdoor Fight". It was printed in China. Reader's Digest did a story on the infanticide in China 10 or 15 years ago. Infanticide was so popular in china there were full time infanticiders. Not doctors: just people paid to take the babies out back a few days after they were born and inject poison into their brains. Many of the same people in authority in China back then are still in authority. I guess that makes me a supporter of infanticide: because I ordered a copy of "Achewood: The Great outdoor Fight", which turned out to be printed in China. the McDonalds and disney lands in China must be doubly guilty of supporting Infanticide. If McDonalds and Disney run for office I will not vote for them.

Ronald Reagan met with Mikhail Gorbachev several times during the 1980s. there are photos of them talking and smiling with each other. I guess that makes Ronald Reagan a Communist. Did the Soviets agree to internal policy concessions before Ronald Reagan agreed to talk with Gorbachev?

[Jim DeVito]

In college he stated he sought out "Nazi professors".

Are there many nazi professors?

[Phil Florian]

In college he stated he sought out "Nazi professors".

Are there many nazi professors?

Man, I thought my Calculus professor was, that's for sure. The old fascist bastard.

Apparently, though, if there are terrorist professors then there MUST be nazi ones out there somewhere. And apparently, by Bill's own admissions, he liked them. I will quote from his own writings to prove it:

...Bill was once a member of a neo Nazi party.

-Bill Call, Nov. 1st 2008

[Bill Call]

This editorial contains some interesting testimony from hearings in the Illinois State Senate:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... is-a-liar/

I am still hoping someone can tell me what they do with the head.

[Jim O'Bryan]

In college he stated he sought out "Nazi professors".

Are there many nazi professors?

Well those that know anything about American history would realize that most of these went to American think tanks, and well you know.



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[Phil Florian]

This editorial contains some interesting testimony from hearings in the Illinois State Senate:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... is-a-liar/

I am still hoping someone can tell me what they do with the head.

Well, the head question is easy to answer. They are hung on the wall as trophies, obviously. Jeez.

But for fair and balanced (since this discussion has mostly been around "he said, she said" level of discourse):

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/08/19/fact_check_born_alive_1.php


This is the Obama campaign formal response for those that are worried about this type of thing this late in the game.


It is interesting what is a "dealbreaker" with folks, though. If you would agree 100% with all of Obama's other positions relating to the job of the President, would you still vote against him since he is pro-choice? On the other foot, would the shoe fit on McCain if you were pro-life (as he says he is) but disagreed with every other tennant of his campaign?

For most folks right now I think the economy has blown away the sort of discussions that come around pro-life vs. pro-choice. Those are the kind of arguments you have when the economy is healthy and there isn't a war or two going on. Gads, I fondly remember the days when Flag Burning was the major issue taking up times in the political debates. Good times, good times.

But seriously, what really is "pro-life" if you are a candidate happy to throw American's greatest resources...actual born children who are walking around...into the quagmire of middle-eastern warzones for no discernable purpose. Or condone torture. Or capital punishment. Or whatever. I will blink and rub my eyes when I see a true pro-life candidate with a real chance on the right OR left that sees all life as sacred...period. Not the life you choose to hold sacred or whatever is politically expedient.

The arugments around abortion won't end as they are fighting two wars on two continents in terms of beliefs. On the pro-choice side, it isn't about the actual act of having an abortion at issue. It is deciding who has the right to make this final and terrible decision. Is it the right of the State (big State meaning the nation) or the right of the doctor or right of the alleged father or right of the mother or right of...whatever. On this side the argument boils down to the kind of personal liberties argument one would think would bind the left and right. Both sides would be filled with like minded folks. The same folks that do not want the State telling them to get rid of their guns should be sitting side by side with the folks who want the State staying out of their wombs. The same folks that think the government should take away guns from citizens would break bread with those that want the government to tell you who you can marry or when you can or cannot have an abortion or use birth control or even learn about sexuality.

The other arguments are around abortion itself. I think if women could be assured that their right to choose wouldn't be infringed upon then folks could have more reasonable discussions about the procedures themselves. Again, there is plenty of room for like-minded discourse from what would traditionally seem opposites. There are plenty, if not all, women on the pro-choice side of the discussion who would want to limit or avoid abortions altogether and when they do acknowledge the need for an abortion would advocate for it to happen as early as possible. They should be able to sit side-by-side with pro-life folks who would kindly put down their protest signs to work things out. Since the numbers of teen pregnancies have gone up and the numbers of abortions happening every year is still high then one would think that some common ground shoudl be found to address and prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible through eductation, contraception, etc.

But when has this argument ever found common ground. They HAVE clear common ground and together could make changes that both would be immediately pleased about...less unwanted pregnancies and in the end less abortions.

But they are too stuck in their ground war to see the bigger picture.

And posts like Bill's, which do little to add to the discussion but fan the flames of fear, continue the impasse. It would be wonderful to see some real leadership in this area. I don't know if Obama is the one to deal with this. Maybe in his second 4 years. He will have plenty of stuff to contend with that will make these kinds of discussions out of his vision for a while.