Republicans fear change.

[Jim O'Bryan]

For the record, Steve Hoffert is probably the most correct on all of this.

Here is the real problem, and the question we must ask.

We(USA) just took a $1.6 trillion dollar sub-prime loan, from the people that caused this nightmare, to pay them for this nightmare. It does not payoff one mortgage, it does not take one step towards making this country, stronger, better, even more liveable.

Now the good news is, we will maybe only have to do this three or four times more in the next 5 years.

America is, well, in very bad shape. We are at least a year away from it getting "interesting." And that period will get worse over the next 10-20 years. This was spelled out right here in some of the earliest messages on the deck. Some of them invested in gold 5 years ago. Today they look like einsteins.

For Ryan Salo and Jennifer Scott's benefit I am trying to word this correctly. How can anyone think the policies of the last eight years made ANYTHING better? You children's future is gone, gone. No matter how well anyone has it now, that is will soon be over.

What Obama represents, is change. What John McCain represents is a chance at change. Huge difference. But does it even matter? do you really think that the USA can borrow $5 trillion dollars and not raise taxes? If not on us, certainly on your kids and their kids. This is the mentality of sub-prime loans. "We will borrow the money and pay it with lottery winnings."

Back to Steve Hoffert, Steve knows, there are not two parties. They both serve the same masters. It is nothing more than theater that allows us to believe we are a democracy. America, the citizens have got to wake up.

One thing I know, is we can not afford the bar bill to another 4 years.

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[Phil Florian]

Both Sarah and Joe seemed to be in their own world that night. When asked what their Achilles Heel was, Sarah spoke of her positives, and in some form of haze Joe, said sometimes saying the wrong thing, then proceeded to give his positives! It was insane.

Jim, I don't know your entire work history but you don't strike me as a guy who ever had a job you had to interview for so you might miss this but you ALWAYS answer with positives in a job interview when they ask you for your weaknesses!

"I work too hard" one might say or "I just don't know when to say no to more work" or "I just can't give up on a problem" and so on. It is the classic interview dodge. I was impressed that Joe even tried to start with a negative.

[Phil Florian]

My Mom had hip replacement last year, a heart attack, complications, re-hab and then some. Total bill...$35.00.

That's because you have insurance. Are you saying that the bill cost $35?? No, your mom's portion of it was $35. Please pull out the actual costs of your services and let me know how far into 5 figures it likely is. You have some awesome insurance to have it only cost $35. Now try again with the kind of insurance your mom could have bought with $2500 a year. A decent plan with reasonable deductibles (which your mom clearly doesn't have if she only paid $35) costs about twice what John McCain is proposing for individuals ($2500). For a family (regardless of size) you get $5000 to buy what Kaiser Family Foundation estimates at over $12,000 in typically bought health insurance policies. Out of pocket for even reasonable care would be ridiculous under a plan that could be bought for $5000 per family let alone enormous costs as listed above.

McCain wants more of the same or, in fact, less of the same. It won't put more people on insurance and will likely cost more to those that already have employer supported insurance (McCain said this himself in an interview with Stephanopolous). Great plan. And still people will likely use the "free insurance" that George Bush proudly said in his visit to Cleveland last July, "I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room. " Which of course costs taxpayers even more because the cost of care in that situation is far more that the cost of a simple doctor well visit.

McCain is more of the same in terms of health care. I am curious how much your mom's care would cost under a McCain health insurance plan.

[Stephen Eisel]

For Ryan Salo and Jennifer Scott's benefit I am trying to word this correctly. How can anyone think the policies of the last eight years made ANYTHING better? You children's future is gone, gone. No matter how well anyone has it now, that is will soon be over.

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... rney-frank

[Steve Hoffert]

For Ryan Salo and Jennifer Scott's benefit I am trying to word this correctly. How can anyone think the policies of the last eight years made ANYTHING better? You children's future is gone, gone. No matter how well anyone has it now, that is will soon be over.

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... rney-frank

Your sources are as biased as the liberal sources. Newsbusters is merely an extension of the Media Research Center, a conservative news source. It's hypocritical to condemn the liberal media while quoting the conservative media. The truth may lie somewhere in the middle but probably these two groups are working in unison to distort the true events as they happen.

[Jim O'Bryan]

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...

OK


Now do you understand me questioning people's sanity?

Ahhhhhh. Even Alec Baldwin admits it, and he plays a ? on TV?




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[Jim O'Bryan]

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...

It just occurred to me, you must think the Movie "Team America" was a documentary! While the best film on the war on terrorism.
http://www.teamamerica.com/




Those were puppets. Relax, as an R you will be happy to know there is no Film Actor's Guild." Alec Baldwin does not speak for all of us. Nor is my personal source of truth and wisdom.


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[Stephen Eisel]

For Ryan Salo and Jennifer Scott's benefit I am trying to word this correctly. How can anyone think the policies of the last eight years made ANYTHING better? You children's future is gone, gone. No matter how well anyone has it now, that is will soon be over.

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... rney-frank

Your sources are as biased as the liberal sources. Newsbusters is merely an extension of the Media Research Center, a conservative news source. It's hypocritical to condemn the liberal media while quoting the conservative media. The truth may lie somewhere in the middle but probably these two groups are working in unison to distort the true events as they happen.

I love your logic... but please refute the specific facts..

[Stephen Eisel]

Who changed the lending practices of Fannie and Freddie?
What caused the subprime meltdown?
Who stopped the hearings that could have possibly prevented this mess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuXMXmqS ... re=related

[Stephen Eisel]

For Ryan Salo and Jennifer Scott's benefit I am trying to word this correctly. How can anyone think the policies of the last eight years made ANYTHING better? You children's future is gone, gone. No matter how well anyone has it now, that is will soon be over.

It was the policies of the dems that started this financial mess.. even Alec Baldwin admits that...


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... rney-frank

Your sources are as biased as the liberal sources. Newsbusters is merely an extension of the Media Research Center, a conservative news source. It's hypocritical to condemn the liberal media while quoting the conservative media. The truth may lie somewhere in the middle but probably these two groups are working in unison to distort the true events as they happen.

The truth is so obvious that even Alec can see it..

[Danielle Masters]

Sure our healthcare system is A OK. I'll start with my step-dad and mom who until recently had been self-employed. The paid for their own healthcare which has steadily gone up. It finally got to be $2,350 a month. My step-dad has diabetes and my mother has had a stroke and cancer. I will admit that they are semi at fault for their coverage going up. They decided after 15 years of living together they would get married because they didn't want their grandkids to know they weren't married. And because they got remarried their insurance company was able to look at their past history of caring for them and decided they were a risk. Ok I should also state my step-dad is a vietnam vet but trying to get care from the VA was just very hard. Anyhow my parents could no longer pay their other bills and continue to pay their healthcare. Shame on them for not being able to pay $2,350 a month, shame on them for having illnesses. So now they have no coverage. They go to the same place I do for healthcare, Northcoast Health Ministries. And if they need emergency care they can go to the ER and I guess pay at some point.

As for me. I have no coverage and Jennifer I CAN'T GET REASONABLY PRICED coverage. Sorry for yelling but you are living o a different planet than me and so many Americans. And sadly an ER won't help pay for my meds. I am lucky at least for the next 9 months I get my meds from the pharmaceutical companies and next year well we'll see. As for going to an ER if something happens I can do that, but most likely will not have a way to pay. I guess I could go get a job but my doctors have repeatedly told me not to. I should go get disability like they have recommended but I feel like I shouldn't.

I know I am not alone. I know about 20 women and men here in Lakewood without healthcare. I suggest if anyone thinks healthcare is okay go sit in an ER, go ask Northcoast Health Ministries if they are seeing more people without healthcare. People are losing their homes, people are declaring bankruptcy, people are suffering, millions of dollars are being wasted on emergency care when preventive care is cheaper. Sorry but if you think healthcare is A ok in this country then you are living in la-la land and it must be nice.

We need a leader that understands the healthcare crisis that is facing millions of Americans and I have read McCain's plan and I don't think his plan is that good. There are millions of Americans that are self-employed and don't have the luxury of getting healthcare through their works. Their are millions of American with pre-existing conditions that can't get reasonably priced care. I think these people deserve decent care. In the end it will cost this country less than dealing with them coming into emergency rooms. It costs the country millions of dollars to pay for the mentally ill who don't get healthcare, not just emergency costs but the costs to society. Uninsured children miss many days being sick where if they just had access to preventative care those sick days could be shortened. The fact that millions of children are uninsured sickens me because in such a wonderful country no one let alone children should go without basic healthcare. In Obama plan EVERY child will have healthcare. I don't see how any reasonable person could think that children some how don't deserve healthcare.

Ok sorry for going on and on but this is something I live every day. I worry that I will have to be hospitalized again like I was last year. I worry that my doctors will change their minds and stop giving me care. I worry that I'll get injured and have no way to pay for the bills. These are the worries of millions of Americans without healthcare. I didn't even mention all the Americans with bad healthcare. I didn't even mention the Americans that have healthcare but can't get approval for certain medicines or procedures. I am sure that there are millions of Americans with great coverage, but does the fact that insurance is ok for some people excuse the fact that millions are suffering?

This is America. We are the greatest nation in the world and we can do better, we have to do better.

[Steve Hoffert]

The truth is so obvious that even Alec can see it..

Baldwin, the economic expert that you find him to be, places blame on both sides. As I previously stated, the truth may lie somewhere between your drivel and that of the liberals. Unfortunately both sides of the isle are virtually the same in their actions and vary only in their rhetoric.

Trying to place blame on either side is taking your eye off the ball. These criminals and traitors are beholden to those that control the money supply. Most of them adhere to the party line (like a few of those around here) spouting the party line without even considering they are being used as tool by the system.