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terry batdorf wrote:Jim

Maybe if you didnt take it so personally that i think Cowardly Kuch is a joke we could raise the level of our debates.


God Bless America!!!

Terry


Terry

Maybe we could, a simple show of respect by all for all would be a greta place to start.

For an example numbers. Friday there would have been 47 trains through Lakewood. instead there was 3.

47
-3
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44

At the same time I can only tell you what is important to me. I am not interested in any pork for the area. So I am happy with the trains. I am happy with his stance on supporting the troops by not sending them off to make Haliburton rich, instead of for the safety of this country. I appreciate his stand on Agri-business, copyrights, and genetics. As Ohio and some of 10th is a farming area, and we all have to eat the crap being produced now without any inspection.

But I can only speak for me.

To speak for Congressman Kucinich I got in touch with his right hand person in Washington, but that wasn't enough.

If I did not know better I would think all you care about is beating the Congreeman now so the Republican can come in and walk over her. You have offered nothing yourself in even trying to understand what we are saying. You act like you are afraid we are correct, so you cannot even chance checking out answers. I mean to be wrong twice?!


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Jimmy,

Finally something quanitifible! That is one thing, where are rest?

I am not afraid that you are right. I read all answers, i can just spot the BS quickly. Just because I dont drink the Kool Aid when it is offered to me does not make me wrong or bad.

As for Denny, I stand by my opinion that he is no good for the district or the country!

God Bless America!!!

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terry batdorf wrote:Jimmy,

Finally something quanitifible! That is one thing, where are rest?

I am not afraid that you are right. I read all answers, i can just spot the BS quickly. Just because I dont drink the Kool Aid when it is offered to me does not make me wrong or bad.

As for Denny, I stand by my opinion that he is no good for the district or the country!

God Bless America!!!

Terry



Terry

OK that was more than one but I guess that would require you to dig a little further, and you seem to be prone to not wanting to do the homework but prefer to have it all delivered by people that seem more willing todo the homework.

Then there is this....

Kucinich: Support Grows In The House For An Excess Profits Tax

50 Members of Congress Now Co-Sponsors Of Legislation, Authored By Kucinich,

To Place An Excess Profit Tax On Big Oil Companies

With gas prices continuing to be sky-high, and the big oil companies reaping historic profits, support has grown in the House of Representatives for legislation, authored by Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), to place an excessive profits tax on the big oil companies. Currently, 50 Members of Congress are co-sponsors of HR 2070, The Gas Price Spike Act.

"Consumers are being gouged at the pump, and more and more Members of Congress are realizing an excess profits tax is the best, fastest, and most prudent intervention to quickly drop the price of gasoline and restore the integrity of the market," stated Congressman Kucinich.

HR 2070 will:

Institute an excessive profit tax on gasoline and diesel. Such a tax is to be imposed on all industry profits that are above a reasonable profit level. This proposal would not increase the cost of gasoline because this proposal does not tax the price of gasoline. It only taxes excessive profits of refineries and distributors. Any attempt to increase prices to recover the lost revenue in taxes is simply taxed at 100% making the price increase worthless.

Transfer the revenue from the excessive profits tax to Americans who would buy ultra efficient cars, made in America, with a tax credit. These will be made directly available to the purchaser of a car that traveled over 65 miles on a single gallon of gas. Today average cars get less than 30 miles per gallon.

Establishes a broad based, far reaching program to promote mass rail transit inter- and intra- city. The bill makes funding available to regional transit authorities to offset significantly reduced mass transit fares during times of gas price spikes.

Since 2001, the five largest oil refining companies operating in America have recorded over $280 billion in profits. In the first three months of 2006 alone, Exxon Mobil made over $8 billion dollars in profits and Chevron made over $4 billion in profits. All the while consumers are paying the price at the pump.

"It is far past time that Congress stands up for the consumer and not the big oil companies," continued Kucinich. "Clearly, the market is flawed and Congress must intervene to defend consumers."


I think that is is pretty good. Now it does not build a bridge to nowhere. It does not give us 22 mediocre jpbs for 6 months. But it will provide an incentive to alternative energy, and as most of Congressman Kucinich's plans it does look far down the road.

If there is one thing I can say with Congressman Kucinich we both agree on is that he has the ability to look down the road. Iraq he was 100% correct. Oil, Kucinich was 100% correct. Food sources, Kucinich is 100% correct, Cleveland Power, Kucinich was 100% correct.

I wish George Bush had that problem!

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Jimmy,

Nice try on bill that Cowardly Kuch has in congress now, but it comes off as a bit of socialism. I mean "excess profits"? This is capitalism, there is no such thing as excess profits. In capitalism the prices are set by what the marker will bear, if you disgusted with the price of something, dont buy it. If you think professional athletes make too much money, dont go to games, dont buy there jerseys.
Gas, buy a hybird, a bike, or a good pair of walking shoes. Get one those BMW SmartCars that are sold in europe. It is capitalism, the feds should stay out it as much as possible. The Feds should go after these foreign ran organizations like OPEC and the UN. Neither of which are necessary for our nation's survival.

Bottom line: Did someone hide the article on the back pages and refused to give it an appropriate title? Where is the Editor at? What is her take on it? Was she pressured by someone or some board?


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Mr. Batdorf:

Are you now standing up for monopoly oil, extracting minerals from public lands and skizzling our nation on royalty payments?

Or is your stance against Congressman Kucinich simply a hastily constructed affective rant that joins aggressive militarism and low order conceptualization of economics?

The Feds are in because "this land is our land."

When you dismiss Congressman Kucinich with a blunt affect about capitalism and simplistic swipe about socialism, you cause the reader to overlook three elements any responsible congressional representative not in the pockets of Big Oil would consider in order to understand the current oil situation and the rights of our nation at stake in this game: 1) Monopoly; 2) Leasing of public lands and royalties paid for resources extracted; 3) Taxation Policy.

Are you in the pocket of Big Oil because you believe bigger is better because bigger is more powerful?

Here are more details:

Monopoly

I believe that you have grossly oversimplified the monopoly thrust of the current oil situation.

Do you dispute Ralph Nader and sit with the oil barons in your dubious praise of monopoly capitalism?

Here’s Nader:

“The claim by the oil barons that they're just responding to the marketplace of supply and demand is laughable. Why are they making double and triple profits? Why are their top executives tripling their own pay? Hard-pressed sellers of oil would not have such a luxurious profit and pay spiral. Hard-pressed sellers of oil would not have paid $144,000 every day to Exxon CEO, Lee Raymond since 1993 and then send him off with a $398 million retirement deal.

A competitive domestic oil industry would not be so able to close down scores of refineries and then turn "refinery shortages" into higher gas prices at the pump. Nor would competitive companies get away with a return on capital of 46 percent for upstream drilling and production operations, plus a 32 percent for refining and marketing. Washington Post business reporter, Steven Pearlstein, call these returns "hedge fund returns." Except with hedge funds there is a risk of losing from time to time. Not so with the corporate government of Big Oil.â€Â￾

Source:
http://www.counterpunch.org/nader04292006.html

Public Lands

You overlook the fact that federal corporate taxation is relevant to the congressman’s responsibilities. The minerals are being extracted from public lands.

Richard Steiner, University of Alaska, highlights some public policy considerations:

Oil Revenues to the U.S. Federal Government

The federal corporate taxation scheme in the U.S., particularly for oil companies, is exceptionally favorable to industry. It has been condemned by many as “a corporate welfare schemeâ€Â￾ almost beyond imagination. The scheme was constructed very carefully by Congressional and Administration strategists in order to keep as much capital as possible in the hands and pockets of big business - their campaign financiers. The public policy implications of this, although “hotlyâ€Â￾ debated, should be obvious.

Federal income taxes paid by oil companies, though supposedly calculated on a basis of 35% of net revenue minus state income taxes, are generally far less when all deductions are taken. While some studies suggest that oil companies pay on the order of 23% in corporate income tax, other studies demonstrate a far worse situation. A recent study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) in Washington D.C. reported that for the years 1996 – 1998, 41 large companies in the U.S., collectively with over $25 billion in pre-tax net profit, actually paid “less than zeroâ€Â￾ federal income tax. Rather than paying about $9 billion in federal tax (at the 35% rate), the Institute reported that they instead “enjoyed so many excess tax breaks that they received $3.2 billion in rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury.â€Â￾ These 41 companies include 12 oil companies such as Texaco, Chevron, Tosco, Enron, and Phillips Petroleum. The report goes on to state that “the large number of oil companies on the no-tax list reflects the fact that over the 1996 – 1998 period, petroleum was the lowest-taxed industry in America (emphasis added), with an effective tax rate of only 12.3%. In 1998, the tax rate for the 12 big oil companies in the ITEP study was an astonishing 5.7%.

The tax schemes used by these companies to lower their federal taxes to zero or below include: accelerated depreciation write-offs, tax credits for “researchâ€Â￾ and oil drilling, and deductions for exercising stock options - the difference between what is paid for the stock and what it is “worth.â€Â￾ Stock-option tax benefits are directly related to the amount that a company’s stock has increased in value, thus tax benefits for companies like Microsoft have been enormous – as much as $2.7 billion in the three-year period. On top of all of this, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has lost over 19,000 employees in the last 10 years, and thus the government’s ability to thoroughly audit tax returns from citizens and corporations alike is dramatically reduced. It is estimated that the IRS looses about $200 billion each year in underpaid taxes, primarily because they don’t have the capability to do the audits to ensure compliance. We are stealing ourselves blind. Anyone who thinks that the U.S. government is ‘letting market forces work’ when it comes to collecting revenues from common property oil resources is simply not well informed. And as stated by journalist Ida Tarbell back in 1902 regarding the Standard Oil monopoly of John D. Rockefeller: “I never had an animus against their size and wealth, never objected to their corporate form. I was willing that they should combine and grow as big and rich as they could, but only by legitimate means. But they had never played fair, and that ruined their greatness for me.â€Â￾

In addition to the federal corporate income tax collected (or not) by the federal government, the U.S. Minerals Management Service collects revenues from federal onshore and offshore oil and gas leases, and from Indian lands. In 1982, the Federal Oil and Gas Royalty Management Act (FOGRMA) established a comprehensive coordinated Royalty Management Program. MMS is responsible for collecting, accounting for, distributing, and valuing mineral production, including oil and gas, from federal lands and waters. And in 1996, this act was amended by the Federal Oil and Gas Royalty Simplification and Fairness Act (RSFA), which significantly changed their conventional operating assumptions and revenue processing methodology. Each year these leases generate over $4 billion to the federal treasury, one of the federal government’s largest sources of non-tax revenue. MMS reports that about $3.5 billion / year is collected from offshore leasing, of which $2.5 billion goes to the general federal and state treasuries, $900 million / year to the U.S. Land and Water Conservation Fund, and $150 million to the National Historic Preservation Fund. And about $1 billion / year is collected from federal onshore leases, half of which is distributed to the states. Between 1982 and 1998, approximately $98 billion has been collected by MMS from oil and gas leasing, which was distributed as follows: $61 billion (62.4%) to the federal treasury, $23 billion (23.7%) to the Land and Water Conservation Fund, $11 billion (11.2%) to 38 states, and $2.7 billion (2.7%) to Indian tribes.
At present in the U.S., there is a dispute over whether or not to allow oil and gas exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge along the arctic coast of Alaska. One of the contentious issues is how royalties would be split between the state and the federal government. The State of Alaska contends that the Statehood Act, granting statehood in 1958, guarantees that the state would receive 90% of any mineral royalties from federal lands in Alaska. But although the State contends it deserves the 90/10 split, the Congressional legislation to open the refuge to drilling proposes a 50/50 split of the royalties between the state and federal governments. What is not being discussed however, is increasing the royalty and tax rates on industry which, to my mind, is considerably more important. Further, when balancing the long-term costs to ecological and intrinsic value in the wilderness area against what public revenue generated by a decade or so of oil extraction, many feel that the area is more valuable left alone. Many "non-economic" values are not captured by market capitalism, but nevertheless should be an important parameter in policy decisions.

Source:
http://www.greensalvation.org/English/F ... 271004.htm

Royalties

Are you saying that the government has no role to play in making sure the nation gets its dues from the monopoly oil capitalists?

Take a look at this:

U.S. May Lose Billions in Oil, Gas Royalties Because of Law
Associated Press
Wednesday, February 15, 2006; A09

Despite record profits, oil and gas producers may avoid billions of dollars in royalty payments to the government because of a decade-old law designed to spur production when energy prices are low.

The Interior Department estimates that as much as $66 billion worth of oil and natural gas taken from the Gulf of Mexico between now and 2011 will be exempt from government royalty payments. That could amount to the government losing an estimated $7 billion to $9.5 billion based on anticipated production and current price projections for oil and gas, according to an analysis in the department's five-year budget plan.

The analysis assumes oil prices will hover around $50 a barrel and natural gas around $8 to $9 per thousand cubic feet between now and 2011.
Johnnie Burton, head of the department's Minerals Management Service, said yesterday that the revenue losses would be subject to many variables, but that more than $7 billion was "in the range" of probability. The industry windfall was first reported by the New York Times.

The disclosure prompted calls in Congress yesterday to curtail or end the royalty relief that lawmakers made available in 1995.

"The American people are getting stood up and hung out to dry by an administration that favors sweetheart deals with Big Oil," said Rep. Edward J. Markey (Mass.), one of six Democrats who said they plan to introduce legislation to end the royalty relief.

Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) said he plans to introduce a resolution to put the Senate on record against the royalty break. "No one in their right mind thinks oil companies turning record-high profits and squeezing Americans at the pump should now get to keep $7 billion," he said.

Although Kerry was among those who voted for the royalty relief in 1995, when oil cost an average of $18.43 a barrel, his spokeswoman said the relief is no longer needed when oil prices are near $60 a barrel.

Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01773.html

How can you pipe the praise of capitalism, when the Oil monopoly is choking the people?

The triumph of the all or nothing affect over intellect won’t pass muster here.

At least Congressman Kucinich is giving the Lakewood homies and our countrymen some high value structures that take on Big monopoly oil.

Of course Bush team of oil crony capitalists helped the oil monopoly grab Iraq’s oil. And you tell us that’s capitalism and attempt to smear with the word socialism.

Can we agree to fight monopoly oil?

Or do you believe our military and blood is to be used in order to transfer the oil assets of Iraq to monopoly oil via production sharing agreements?

“At an oil price of $40 per barrel, Iraq stands to lose between $74 billion and $194 billion over the lifetime of the proposed contracts, from only the first 12 oilfields to be developed. These estimates, based on conservative assumptions, represent between two and seven times the current Iraqi government budget.â€Â￾

Source: http://milfuegos.blogspot.com/2005_11_2 ... chive.html

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Post by Joseph Milan »

Jim,

If you recall, the article's last sentence does say that this should be republished prior to election time. I don't know if it was in your last edition because I was on vactation, so it's to late for the primary. If this were a demacracy, perhaps a vote should be taken on whether it's worthy of publishing prior to the November election.
As I have already discussed the issue with you, I really don't have any other comment about my article, but I hope this is considered.

Don't forget to vote tommorow!

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Joseph Milan wrote:Jim,

If you recall, the article's last sentence does say that this should be republished prior to election time. I don't know if it was in your last edition because I was on vactation, so it's to late for the primary. If this were a demacracy, perhaps a vote should be taken on whether it's worthy of publishing prior to the November election.
As I have already discussed the issue with you, I really don't have any other comment about my article, but I hope this is considered.

Don't forget to vote tommorow!

Joe



Joe

I wished you would have called. I will bump it to the top somehow. I have been trying to get in touch with you. I even stopped by Kiwanis to talk with you. Ask the Ryans.

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How about 600 new words for October?
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Post by terry batdorf »

Joe and DL,

Great to hear some actual discussion on the actual issue of the post. It would be great to see the piece run on the front page above the fold.
What are Heidi Hilty on this subject? Is she still the editor of the LO?

I know Jim loves to say there is no agenda here at the LO, but if you look at issue 9 dated 2may06. It is painfully obvious.

I mean who decided to shove well written stories about Lakewood to the back pages. By these i am referring to are Stan Austin's Rosewood Place piece, Jeff Endress's Library piece or Lynn Farris's piece on Eminent Domain?

I understand any chance to get Cowardly Kuch and MOB on the front cover are paramount but come on.

Again where is the editor at?

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I mean who decided to shove well written stories about Lakewood to the back pages. By these i am referring to are Stan Austin's Rosewood Place piece, Jeff Endress's Library piece


Thanks for the kind words. Hope to see you at the groundbreaking.

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Mr. Batdorf-

I doubt that Ms. Hilty has the time to monitor discussions on the Deck, but I feel very comfortable in suggesting that she reads the letters to the editor section.

I make no guarantees of any replies.
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Terry

To answer your question. The Rosewood piece was on the front page but was moved when it was pointed out that it ran on our front page for more than a week, and that the Sun Papers had run it already as well. Jeff's library piece was certainly worthy of the front page, but was kept on the designated Library page.

This left us with the Volunteer story above the fold. Who could be more worthy of the front page. 449 volunteers giving their time to make a city better. With the bottom empty as of Thursday afternoon with the rest of the paper finished. Thursday afternoon we got a news release form the School board about a Lakewood High student winning the regional art contest, and for the second year in a row a Lakewood High art teacher was sending one of her student's art to hang in the Capital. I believe the story was good enough for the paper. This would also follow our past history with Paul Tepley above the fold when he was put in the Journalism Hall of Fame, and Scott MacGrogor when the Art Museum bought one of his photos for the museum. Both page one above the fold.

From a technical point of view this was exciting as well. A story that would break at Noon on Monday would be in the Lakewood Observer the following day.Not bad for a volunteer paper. The story was dropped in below the fold to the hole that was there. But with it running short and a list of names above the fold with a mediocre photo of the party taken by me, it was not "eye candy" as one of the designers like to yell about after every paper. The two stories swapped out perfectly, and made the paper look better. If you doubt me I would be happy to send you the original front page.

As for the editor, until you take the time to submit a story, please keep the whining directed at me. Heidi is an incredible help in the editing and story placement process.

The paper was nearly done on Friday. Which was a miracle as the stories didn't clear until Tuesday and Wednesday. So over the weekend per usual photos were edited, paper was tightened up and the thing that we ponder every issue what goes on page 1? While all of this was going on the editor, who not only is one of the busiest people I know, but most helpful, broke her ankle. Some that have seen the X-Ray believe that would be an understatement. So it was down to me not her on this issue.

Why on earth would I have run a 4 month old opinion piece above the fold? Now had you or Joe written something new... It would be different. I even went out of my way to got to Rockport Kiwanis to ask Joe about writing, but was told by Ryan, he hadn't been in weeks.

If you really think there is a political agenda, ask Tex Phillips and/or Colleen Wing, the fighting heads of the Lakewood Republicans, how many times I have begged them to write. Everytime I see them, or have a chance to drop them a line. They have never sent in a single letter. I had to beg Colleen to post when the Republican Club meets. Why on earth would I do this if my agenda was soley liberal or Congressman Kucinich? But why let facts get in the way?



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Post by terry batdorf »

Jim,

I realize now you hate to be challenged or questioned about any decision.
This post was actually directed toward the editorial staff, which you are not. You told me you were just the "headcheck writer", now at least you admit to editing it.

You still havent address why Lynn Farris's important and well written piece about a state task force on eminent domain was shoved to the back.

As for Jeff's piece, again, it is an important thing happening in Lakewood!!!

Jeff and Lynn's pieces should have been first and center. Not two fluffy, feel good pieces, those should be toward the back. End on a happy note.

You want people to pick up the paper, dont you? Granted I am no Douglas Clifton, but I can tell ya, when you put the word"State Task Force and Lakewood" on the first page Lakewoodians will notice and pick it up!


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So if I question your judgement when it comes to Denny. Its not baseless.

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dl meckes wrote:How about 600 new words for October?


Are you asking me this or just asking in general?

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Why on earth would I have run a 4 month old opinion piece above the fold?



Jim, I'm not complaining as you were at least nice enough to put it on your site, but there is a Letter to the Editor from March that is still on the front page. I know it's tough to set standards especially for a free site, but I can understand where someone would question this. I just hope to see my piece again prior to the general election.

Joe
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