RTA What the #@#$!

[Jim O'Bryan]

Hey Jim,

I'm not sure if you saw the Plain Dealer's election section today (Sunday, Oct. 30th). It seems like the PD asked a lot of questions regarding regionalism, including sharing resources such as fire engines.
I still have questions to answer from your previous post .. I'll look at them after Halloween

Joe

Joe


The Plain Dealer and Sun Papers are all about Regionalism.

But why not 3/4 of their readers could benefit, however could Lakewood.

Jot It was a pleasure meeting you and having a brief meal. I love running into members, and it was great putting a face with the name.


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[Joseph Milan]

JO - This might stop Rocky River from whoring themselves out to get Lakewood Business and vice a versa. But it does nothing about the real problem in Lakewood. Jobs leaving the region period. While we watch Bay fight Fairview for the largest empty mall, it does nothing about the need for real jobs, or to keep those jobs from going one inch outside the region

Jim,
it is true that jobs have been leaving the region (under one party control) even before the latest economic downturn. While you believe that this is simply Rocky River vrs Fairview vrs Lakewood, an abatement could easily move a new business from somewhere outside the state to somewhere in Northeast Ohio. Abatements should be doled out at the regional level or state level so that Rocky river or Cincinnati doesn't get into a turf war with Lakewood.

JO - So it is a Democrat thing. The Republicans have screwed the country and created yet another Vietnam, Iran Contra, Operation Midnight, Watergate... Here on a more local level we have coingate and Taft just being a dismal failure. but for some reason the region government will be better, more trust worthy...

Scandals are not a one party thing. It wasn't that long ago people were saying the same things about democrats.

JO - Big IF, and what if the airport had been built, air traffic down, airlines going bankrupt. Would that be better than the homes that were built instead? How many jobs did those homes create? Lawncare, maid service, decorating, etc.

And in creating those homes, how much of the tax base has eroded from our county, or from our city? If you don't like the airport idea, put something else up. Do you think the now destroyed coliseum would have even been built where it was if people looked from a regional perspective?

JO - Joe it is nice that we all agree on this. This is the one thing that saves the city/region. Though I see outside forces trying to make living near the lakes nearly impossible. Is it not strange that EVERY coty on the Great Lakes is failing with the exception of Chicago and Toronto.

Did you ever think that if these cities worked together instead of competed against each other, there might be some improvement?
Joe

[Joseph Milan]

Joe





JO - So it is a Democrat thing. The Republicans have screwed the country and created yet another Vietnam, Iran Contra, Operation Midnight, Watergate... Here on a more local level we have coingate and Taft just being a dismal failure. but for some reason the region government will be better, more trust worthy...

Jim,
I also have to add here that no one ever paints the democrat party with the wide brush you're using here. Forget President Clinton. Just think about local politics for a minute. Russo gets into trouble and not only does the prosecutor now congresswoman discard the charges, but Russo continues on. A local politician breaks the law and his wife is now running for his seat and will probably get elected easily. Just because I didn't like our previous president doesn't mean I thought the whole party is bad.
I just want there to be more balance. People tell me over and over that the republicans in control of both houses of congress and the presidency is bad. I ask them if they think democrats controlling this county for at least a decade is bad, and they have no answer.
Joe

[Jim O'Bryan]

Joe

I can forget about Clinton totally. I do not flow with parties. I am registered as an Independent and that would best describe how I am. If anything I would be a conservative-libertarian-liberal. Government out of our lives, fiscal in control, with compassion towards the poor, and downtrodden.

I have a simple view. If they break the law, prosecute, if they do not serve the PEOPLE, see ya.

Joe when are you going to write something for the paper?

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[Joseph Milan]

Forget about him if you'd like, Jim. Go to some current/local issue. I just heard about some local politician not being able to run because he's in trouble with the law; dealing drugs or something. I believe he's a Cleveland councilman. His wife will win without a problem on election day. Tom Coyne was elected after some questionable behavior. It wouldn't be surprising if he returns. Dennis Kucinich, who once made Cleveland the joke of the country, is now a local hero.

I'll submit something when I think of a decent local topic to discuss.

Joe

[Jim O'Bryan]

Joe

Coyne, I refuse to kick a person that far down. but thank god he is not a politician anymore.

As for Dennis. It was the bankers and power companies that made him a laughing stock. During Cleveland Power Dennis did the single bravest thing I have ever seen a politican do. Especially a young politican.

There are bad on both sides, but hard to compare Coyne with 41/43 who have stolen from the citizens, preverted the Consitiution, and 43 and Nixon that together have killed over 33,000 American soldiers on lies.

But yes there is bad everywhere.


Jim

[Joseph Milan]

Joe

Coyne, I refuse to kick a person that far down. but thank god he is not a politician anymore.

Based on the way people vote around here, I wouldn't be surprised if he got back into public life. He'd run his re-election campaign as "the new comeback kid"; as that title already belongs to someone else.

It is interesting, very interesting that you don't want to talk about Clinton but feel inclined to talk about Nixon, by the way.

Joe

[Jim O'Bryan]

Joe

Coyne, I refuse to kick a person that far down. but thank god he is not a politician anymore.

Based on the way people vote around here, I wouldn't be surprised if he got back into public life. He'd run his re-election campaign as "the new comeback kid"; as that title already belongs to someone else.

It is interesting, very interesting that you don't want to talk about Clinton but feel inclined to talk about Nixon, by the way.

Joe

Joe I give the voters some credit, but after the last presidential election!

What do you want to kick around with Clinton. Paying down the National Debt? 8 years with no attacks? Selling off America to the highest bidder? Bilderberg Connections, His most important quote of all time?

What do you have in mind?

As for Nixon when a president kills 33,000 Americans and over 150,000 Vietnamese to get re-elected I like to remind people what the system can create.

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[Joseph Milan]

JO>As for Nixon when a president kills 33,000 Americans and over 150,000 Vietnamese to get re-elected I like to remind people what the system can create.



Um, Jim,

The Vietnam war began in 1954. Direct US involvement began in 1967, before Nixon was president. This is like me blaming Hillary (or whoever gets elected next time for president) for the people already killed. Heck, I should also blame the next president for the towers being attacked if I used the revisionist method you're applying.

Joe